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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (20108)	8/1/2001 4:16:26 AM
From: average joe	Respond to of 82486

"Greatly inlfluenced by the works of Friedrich Nietzsche, Hamsun saw himself as part of the vanguard of a European spiritual aristocracy which would reject these false values and search out Nature's hidden secrets--developing a higher morality and value system based on organic,natural law. Did you ever wonder if Hitler noticed his cookie crumbling when Jesse Owens won a gold medal in Berlin? Those who screamed the loudest about sending blacks back to Africa were the same bastards who imported them to do slave work in the first place. Hamsun being influenced by that syphilitic orangutan Nietzsche does not impress me. Here is an interesting look at Mr. Lederhosen. geocities.com If you're still confused about freedom and what it means to pursue your own aims this might clarify it for you. dailyobjectivist.com

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (20108)	8/1/2001 10:37:54 AM
From: thames_sider	Respond to of 82486

Barge in? It's no such thing, but certainly interject- intelligent interruptions are always welcome. I'd actually forgotten the Swedish sterilisation thing - although they were by no means alone in this policy, Finland and Norway also had one, as well as Austria, Germany, Switzerland and (I think) France. It wasn't racism as such, however; it was designed to improve the 'genetic stock' of the country, so targeted mainly at prisoners, alcoholics, genetically disabled etc... I dare say such categories may have disproportionately included non-whites, but I don't believe they were the target per se. [Also, they've compensated the victims, which is something]. I'm not completely convinced eugenics is wrong... I often think there are people who plainly should not be allowed to breed <w> But it is a policy with severe implications and huge ethical complications. Hopefully we'll never come to need it... As for Hamsun - well, he's one (unpleasant-sounding) man: but his ideology has not really taken root, even in Sweden (which was politically relatively close - for a neutral - to the Nazis in WWII). Also, the example of Finland - pro-Nazi in WWII - was mainly from the shared-enemy principle of the USSR, although at that time certainly fascism - generally with attendant racism - was at its prime in much of Europe. Overall I figure I'm covered by my 'almost'. <g>