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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (166651)	8/1/2001 2:47:49 PM
From: Zoltan!	Respond to of 769670

That's not true. FoxNews had an informer who disclosed the truth. Then came the change in story.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (166651)	8/1/2001 3:03:17 PM
From: Neeka	Respond to of 769670

Like JBC said: Democratic environmental policies kill people. M

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (166651)	8/1/2001 3:11:34 PM
From: J.B.C.	Respond to of 769670

Democratic environmental policies kill people. Jim

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (166651)	8/1/2001 3:15:34 PM
From: H-Man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Wrong as usual Ken. They were waiting for an approval for a waiver. here is the timeline according to us forrest service... But the USFS reversed that position Tuesday with the release of a timeline of events that depicts the harrowing plight of a band of very young, inexperienced firefighters waiting desperately for helicopter relief that never came. According to the timeline, the first team of firefighters, an elite crew called "Hot Shots," had contained what came to be known as the "30-mile fire" by the very early morning and requested a helicopter water drop at 5:30 a.m. However, they were told one would not be available until 10 a.m. At 9 a.m., the Hot Shots were replaced with a young "mop-up" crew expecting helicopter relief to arrive within the hour. When the mop-up crew inquired about the missing helicopter just after noon, the dispatch office told the crew field boss that helicopters could not be used in the area because the Chewuch River contained endangered fish. Final permission to use Chewuch water wasn’t granted until 2 p.m. Jan Flatten, the environmental officer for the Okanogan and Wenatchee Natural forests, confirmed that environmental concerns caused crucial delays in dispatching the helicopter. 4 sets of parents, have buried their sons and daughters. I'll bet your just as proud as punch.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (166651)	8/1/2001 3:59:40 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769670

Only thing I see ignoring the facts is your green pin head.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (166651)	8/1/2001 4:36:05 PM
From: Zoltan!	Respond to of 769670

>>The story ignores the facts. There was not time for helicopters to get water from the river. The fire had been put under control. The crew went in to mop up. The wind shifted and the fire suddenly rekindled. There was barely enough time to get into the shelters. There was not time for helicopters to get water from the river. Yes, you ignored the facts: .....According to the timeline, the first team of firefighters, an elite crew called "Hot Shots," had contained what came to be known as the "30-mile fire" by the very early morning and requested a helicopter water drop at 5:30 a.m. However, they were told one would not be available until 10 a.m. At 9 a.m., the Hot Shots were replaced with a young "mop-up" crew expecting helicopter relief to arrive within the hour. When the mop-up crew inquired about the missing helicopter just after noon, the dispatch office told the crew field boss that helicopters could not be used in the area because the Chewuch River contained endangered fish. Final permission to use Chewuch water wasn’t granted until 2 p.m.... worldnetdaily.com

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (166651)	8/2/2001 1:45:38 AM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

From the article: At 9 a.m., the Hot Shots were replaced with a young "mop-up" crew expecting helicopter relief to arrive within the hour. When the mop-up crew inquired about the missing helicopter just after noon, the dispatch office told the crew field boss that helicopters could not be used in the area because the Chewuch River contained endangered fish. Final permission to use Chewuch water wasn’t granted until 2 p.m. Are you telling me that from 5:30am when the request was made, to 2pm when PERMISSION was granted, is not enough time for a helicopter to get water from a river which was obviously within RUNNING distance of the fire? Even granting 10am as being the time when the choppers were available, that is FOUR hours. Heads should roll on this one. Derek