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To: DavesM who wrote (166823)	8/1/2001 11:41:09 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

I don't know what religion the founding fathers were. But they created a representative government. They all knew well the religious sensibilities of those who they represented. Any who don't or can't see the connections from Christian tenants from all in that time frame just have limited vision and poor sight. Our Load was the first to actually distinguish between civil government and religion and what our duty to God was vs the state. The Jewish religion always merged the divine appointment of Kings as part of their religion. Current Israel does not have this biblical underpinning in it's government. All civilization thru the time of Our Load merged the legitimate power of the rulers with a God(s). Western civilization in Europe evolved the rights of Kings to be linked to an authority of God. A Christian God. Our founding fathers were the first to go back to the idea that individuals had rights and they and only they could turn over their rights to the Government. The Government had no divine right. The separation of Church and state is a unique creation that goes directly back to Our Loads teaching. At the time of the revolution the United States of America was part of the Christian British Empire. Americans were loyal subjects of the King of England the head of a Christian Church. America represents the evolution of the best of Christian ideas of honor, love, tolerance, mercy, charity. Those to blind to see this jump at the chance to tear at that which made America great. tom watson tosiwmee

To: DavesM who wrote (166823)	8/2/2001 1:30:40 AM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769667

And many of the "Christian" founders of the country could best be described as Unitarian. If you look back at some of my posts you will see that those thought to be Unitarian may or may not have been. In the whole of the guiding principles of the Unitarian Univeralist sect, there is no mention of Jesus the Christ, and the one I have known ,believed in many paths to God. And accepts just about anything man wants to come up with. The Word says otherwise. Here are some quotes from two of those founders thought to be Unitarian. JOHN QUINCY ADAMS “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.” “From the day of the Declaration….they [the American people] were bound by the laws of God. Which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledge as rules of their conduct.” A quote out of a speech in 1838, “ Sir, I might go through the whole of the sacred history of the Jews to the advent of our Saviour………. Even at 77 years old, JQAdams says this: “The bible carries with it the history of the creation, the fall and redemption of man, and it discloses to him, in the infant born at Bethlehem, the Legislator and Saviour of the world. And in an article he writes this: There are two prayers that I love to say--the first is the Lord’s Prayer, and because the Lord taught it; and the other is what seems to b a child’s prayer: “Now I lay me down to sleep,” and I love to say that because it suits me. I have been repeating it every night for many years past, and I say it yet, and I expect to say it my last night on earth if I am conscious. But I have added a few words more to the prayer so as to express my trust in Christ, and also to acknowledge what I ask, for I ask as a favor, and not because I deserve it. This is it: “Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep; If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take; For Jesus’ sake. Amen.” JOHN ADAMS In October, 1774 John Adams writes his wife saying: ‘ This day I went to Dr. Allisons meeting in the afternoon, and heard the Dr. Francis Allison…give a good discourse upon the Lord’s supper… I had rather go to Church. We have better sermons, better prayers, better speakers, softer, sweeter music, and genteeler company. In other writings he wrote: ‘The Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount contain my religion… ‘As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation.’ That you and I shall meet in a better world I have no doubt than we now exist on the same globe; if my reason did not convince me of this; Cicero’s dream of Scipio, and his essay on Friendship and Old Age would have been sufficient for that purpose. But Jesus taught us that a future state is a social state, when He promised to prepare places in his Father’s house of many mansions, for His disciples that last writing he paraphrazed right from the 14th chapter of John. <<In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.>>