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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (20416)	8/2/2001 7:52:59 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I submit that there are few better indicators of a man's maturity and character than seeing how he handles himself on that inevitable day when he can't get it up. Well, then my wife hasn't had a chance to really figure out my maturity or character yet. <bg> Most men are utterly unqualified as partners in a mature relationship. How sadly cynical. Maybe close to right. But I would suggest that that's because society doesn't expect them to engage only in mature relationships, but celebrates, in song, story, and movie, the one night stand. When what our kids are exposed to almost everywhere they turn is the celebration of casual sex without long term commitment how do we expect them to develop maturity? Look at the stories that make news, both in magazines and newspapers. Look at what TV sitcoms show, what books get published, including childrens books. Where are the joys of marriage being celebrated? Where are the children getting any support for the concept that committed mature long term monogamous relationships are the most rewarding thing an adult can enter into? X objected to considering this issue in terms of costs. I disagree. It may not be only financial costs, though the financial costs to society of out-of-wedlock births is very high. But it's social cost, personal cost, which is much more difficult to quantify but also IMO a much more compelling reason to stand up and say, in the long run it is better for the individual and for society to discourage non-marital sexual intimacy, even if in a "committed" relationship (but not so committed as to get married). Nothing would make feel better than to know I have raised children who preserve their virginity until their wedding night,who remain monogamous 'till death do them part, and who as a conquence of committing their most intimate and emotionally fulfilling act only to their spouse have a wonderful, fulfilling, happy life in the meantime.