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To: Dayuhan who wrote (20529)	8/3/2001 11:43:16 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"The choices will make will depend on how well we have taught them. Don't kid yourself, though, by the time they are 17 the choice is theirs to make, and there is nothing anybody else can do about it." This is partially true. It is not true that there is nothing to be done. Many children continue to respect the advice and guidence of their parents on substantive issues, life long. I strongly recommend this tradition. The best advice I ever heard was from an interview in Fox Fire. A teen ager was interviewing an old woman and asked her for advice on how to stay out of trouble. The old woman responded, "When you are considering a decision to act on some impulse imagine your grand mother standing next to you as you decide." Legally of course an 18 year old is responsible for their own decisions. That doesn't mean advice from elders should be considered unwarranted or without weight. Practically if a five year old wants to rebell against the directives of their parents they will succeed. 17 is a no man's land. Of course a head strong youth intent on a goal is likely to succeed at accomplishing it whether is it wise or not. Sanctioning any choice that a seventeen year old is considering is quite another matter. What is up with this?

To: Dayuhan who wrote (20529)	8/3/2001 12:02:58 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

Do you know anything about the current state of brain research? If not, you should look into it before making statements which contradict current neurobiological findings. Fact is, the areas of the brain which are involved in decision making, and particularly those areas which have to do with empathy and understanding how your decisions affect others, are the slowest to develop, and aren't yet fully developed in 17 year olds, particularly 17 year old males since male brains are a bit behind female brains in their development. So no matter what you teach them, biologically 17 year olds are no more ready for competence in decision making than ten year olds are ready to pitch in the majors. It's a simple matter of biological development. Do your research.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (20529)	8/3/2001 8:48:10 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

How does "representing" responsibility have anything to do with decency or licitness? It is responsible to stuff a phone box with 30 of your friends? Is it responsible to be in a pie eating contest? After all it might make you throw up- is it responsible to make yourself sick just for a contest? I'd argue no. Lots and lots of things kids (and adults, alas) do are irresponsible, to varying degrees, but most of these irresponsible things are neither illicit nor indecent. It would be nice if everyone was healthful and respectful. But most people have lots of vices. Almost everyone I know has a vice that involves alcohol, or bad eating, or bad personal fitness. It is irresponsible to let your body go, and yet most Americans are horribly overweight. Grossly and hugely overweight. Now that should be their choice, and (imo) they shouldn't be discriminated against for that choice, but it definitely isn't "healthy". I fail to see why healthy sexuality should be more important than healthy anything else.