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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (20550)	8/3/2001 4:50:56 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Karen I personally got a kick out of and the Europeans think being the world's most powerful democracy means always having to ask permission. I disagree with this article. Most specifically For the Bush team, being the world's leader means we should be able to do whatever we want when we want, unconstrained by treaties or multilateral agreements that might limit our consumption of resources (Kyoto) or our military power (the Anti-Ballistic Missile and nuclear testing treaties and the biological weapons convention) or our insane gun laws (the U.N. pact on small arms). We are constrained by the ABM treaty but the treaty has a provision that either side can pull out with 6 months notice. Pulling out would not be violating the treaty, nor would creating missle defences after the pull out be a violation. The Kyoto treaty is not ratified and thus not binding on the US. I don't think our gun laws are insane but more to the point we haven't signed and ratified the UN small arms agreement. I don't think we have to be accountable to others outside the country except for violations of our ratified agreements or perhaps inextreme cases like decideing to nuke some country that pissed us off... That doesn't mean we should not consider the opinions of other countries but the US is a soverign state not an administrative district of the UN or a colony of the EU. Iraq was a rogue state because it invaded attacked Iraq, then a few years later invaded Kuwait and lobbed missiles at Saudi and Israel. If the US sends the 10th infantry division north because we want some Canadian territory while bombing Mexico city and sponsoring a few terrorist attacks, then it would be fair to call us a rogue state. Tim

To: Lane3 who wrote (20550)	8/4/2001 2:29:35 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Noblesse Oblige is way too European for my taste. However, if consensus thinking and in this instance the average joe taxpayer, believes his tax dollars are well spent by giving openly with no conditions or qualifications then I say give to you're blue in the face. State inspired altruism is not Noblesse Oblige. It does not even represent consensus altruism. It's substituting State opinion for my opinion at the point of a gun and at my expense. "Bush can't just get away with saying, 'Well, the American people elected me, and they don't like Kyoto, so tough,' and that settles the matter. Because you're so dominant, you have to be the example-setter." It perfectly settles the matter in a Republic under a charter which begins "We The People". Thank God no one ever changed that sacred document to remove that part which talks about the right to bear arms. If Gore would have got in I think it would have been within the framework of the Constitution for the people to rise up and use force. I think if anyone even attempts to meddle with that document the people should rise up and use force. Actually it's quite obvious, it will and should be done, and that is what that amendment was put there for.

To: Lane3 who wrote (20550)	9/11/2001 10:36:26 AM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Friedman has most always been wrong. Ditto the NYTimes. Missile defense is now a sure thing - after today the hyper partisan Luddite Dems cannot stop the US from defending itself. Thank goodness for Bush's leadership - after eight years of the Clinton corruption and absence of any real leadership on their part except in extending Dem corruption. Today George W. Bush becomes the first real President since Reagan. Bush should now force the corrupt Dems to pass a capital gains tax cut to re-ignite the flagging economy that he/we inherited from Clinton-Gore.