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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (20769)	8/6/2001 5:11:21 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

It's kind of sad not to encourage your kids to date. I mean dating doesn't have to mean unchaperoned, let's screw in the car instead of going to the movies, dating. I think well chaperoned group dates are excellent and a good way to get to know the opposite sex. I certainly don't want my girls trotting off to college without any dating experience. My son, with his disabilities, probably won't have much dating experience. But that's sad and pathetic, and I wish he could have dating experiences. I hope there will be girls along the way who may be a bit different themselves, and who will find him an acceptable date. Poor little guy had a crush on a girl this year. She was a very nice little girl who had just moved here from England. And she was very nice about the whole thing. But I feel very sorry for him. Having your kids refrain from dating seems like having them refrain from a normal life. Of course that's fine- we all have the right to do pretty much as we wish with our children. People do all sorts of things, from taking their children to communes to making them believe masturbation is going to send them straight to Hell (talk about WEIRD!). But if you're going to go against what most people consider normal you can't expect a parade. Most people think homosexuals are pretty normal now- that's tough, isn't it? And most people think dating is pretty normal too- darn normal. Has been for several decades. But there you are. I go against what is probably considered normal. After all my husband and I are really tolerant (more than normal I would guess), we're better educated than most people, and we do exactly what we want- without regard to institutions of any kind (save for the IRS and the police- we believe in paying our taxes, and following the laws). But we don't expect any parades. Parades are for people in the muddy middle of society. Or for real active troublemakers- who want to march and shove something in societies face. I don't think anyone else ought to expect a parade. Unless they want to be disappointed. And some folks want that. More power to them, I guess. You will note I am NOT apologizing if any of this has been previously covered or if this does not dovetail neatly with whatever conversation you were having. Because I don't care.

To: Lane3 who wrote (20769)	8/6/2001 5:17:57 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I have this bad habit of going back up the chain when odd things like this occur, though usually I'm directly involved. This particular chain might leave Jacques Derrida scratching his head, I think. brees, 20739, #reply-16174903 Oh good...Playboy does not seek profit from the use of pictures, writing, or other material that is sexually explicit and intended for use by persons seeking sexual stimulation outside of that offered by a marriage partner (or the person neocon's son is going steady with)? It does not employ women for use in graphic portrayal of their sexuality for this purpose? Just some good articles and ...uh...a little art work, right? Neocon, #reply-16174930, with a ??? response: My son does not even date..... brees, #reply-16174938 When that is seen as a positive in our culture, I will be impressed. I hope this is a choice and that you are proud of him for making it. Neocon, #reply-16174940 Yes and yes..... brees, #reply-16174951 reat! but, I doubt anyone is giving a parade to celebrate. kholt, #reply-16174956 Why would anyone give or want a parade to celebrate what is a very personal matter? brees, #reply-16174967 I never thought they should. Why do left wingers do it? Are you against it? kholt, #reply-16174992 I always enjoy parades, as long as they're not in my honor and they don't impede traffic. Karen brees, #reply-16175009 Nice dodge. You were clearly critical when a similar right wing type of parade was indicated. This is a gotcha but I am gonna give you a pass because you are nice. I wont even say, "BS." kholt, #reply-16175051 Good, then I won't have to say I don't know what you're talking about. brees, #reply-16175073 There is a distinct pattern here for when your analytic skills disappear. I'm still not going to say, "BS," however. kholt, #reply-16175098 I am a very good analyst. I make no claims of being a mind reader, especially not when it comes to your mind. Getting near the end, we have brees' odd summation of what came before: #reply-16175402 Ok well since you insist, lets see here. I said something about having a parade to celebrate a right wingers choice to refrain from dating during the latter teen years, as a good and responsible choice. You questioned the idea of celebrating something personal. I asked for your comments on the practice when left wingers do it. I doubt that you couldn't figure out the inference to comming out and celebrating ones homosexuality and gay pride parades any more than I believe you would have to refer to your notes to figure out what two plus two is equal to. Since you insist, kholt, I'll have to call BS on you, again. There's certainly a considerable element of what could be called BS here, but where it's coming from is , to be momentarily polite, debatable.