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To: The Philosopher who wrote (20806)	8/6/2001 8:52:35 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I just know I'm going to regret this post. but you still don't get the basic point I posted to you what I thought the point was that you didn't get, but you didn't respond, for whatever reason. Perhaps you'd tell us what you think the point is that Steven doesn't get. If it's that kids aren't sufficiently developed in their teens to make decisions about sex, I recall Steven agreed with it, at least for the sake of argument. Am I correct that that was your point? If so, can we move on to Steven's point? I'd really like to hear what you have to say on that. Karen

To: The Philosopher who wrote (20806)	8/6/2001 9:47:10 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Excuse me for pointing it out, but it seems to me that before you entered the arena, a number of us were discussing the issue of how best to prevent teens from making bad decisions about sex. It was you who butted in. It seems rather bizarre to me that you are ordering me to butt out, when you have never once addressed the original question under discussion, a question that deals with a practical issue of serious concern to parents everywhere. One last time: what practical measures can parents take to help prevent their children from making bad decisions about sex? What do you think?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (20806)	8/7/2001 11:46:03 AM
From: TimF	Respond to of 82486

Chris, if we assume your point that 17 year olds do not have parts of their brain developed enough to make good decisions about sex, then we still have to deal with Steve's point, that they are making these decisions. The decision may be to follow whatever their parents say but that is still a decision. They will be in situations when their parents are not around. Even if the parents have previously told them that they should not be having sex, they still at that moment have to decide if they are going to listen or not. Ready or not the decision will be in front of them. If the parents have done a good job then they may make a good decision. If you disagree that's fine we can talk about this disagreement. If you don't understand I'm not sure how I can explain it better. I think you might be right about teenagers brains not being fully developed and even though I am not sure about this I am willing to accept it for the purposes of this discussion because 1 - You seem to have researched this are more then I have, 2 - It is not a crazy or stupid idea, 3 - Accepting it will help the discussion move along. But after accepting this fact we still have to think about how to apply this knowledge to real world situations. I have no kids but if I do have a kid sometimes in the future this issue will presumably come up. Should I, in your opinion, tell my future teenager "your brain is not ready so let me make these decisions for you"? I don't think that that strategy is likely to work. I think that I should try to teach my moral values to any future child I have, and also teach him or her about the risks of sex, but how can I really make the decisions for my future child? At some point they will not be under my direct control and that point I can't control them even if I want to. Tim