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To: TobagoJack who wrote (6852)	8/7/2001 12:16:41 PM
From: Moominoid	Respond to of 74559

Wow...that certainly should get a "cool post" as a summary of the situation in China today. But I would argue that things have changed in India in the last decade. The economy is still less than half the size of the Chinese economy, but reinvestment by overseas Indians (mainly in the US) is beginning to happen and locally grown industry in software, drugs etc. is getting to be significant. Bangladesh is another little known relative success story. Pakistan seems pretty hopeless- it was the richest region of former British India. There is a common culture in India despite very large regional variations. Besides the elite all speak English and Hindi is a lingua franca too. I've always felt more familiar with India though I've never been there (except at 10000m...) When I taught World Regional Geography a few years ago to undergrads at Boston University I felt on much more solid ground dealing with India than with China. So maybe I am biased but I have learnt quite a bit since then about China. Brazil is a much more developed place in a lot of ways and China is still catching up now in per capita terms IMO (same goes for Mexico and other Latin American countries). Brazil of course only has a fraction of the population of either China or India. So its economy is only on the scale of a medium sized European country. David

To: TobagoJack who wrote (6852)	8/7/2001 12:23:23 PM
From: Don Lloyd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Jay - ...Given the hostile environment the early settlers found themselves in, cooperation was crucial to survival, and thus rule by feudal dictatorship was out of the question and out of smarts of the then politicians. There were too many guns all around. Democracy was a necessity.... My take would have been that government itself was optional, natural selection a daily reality, and central government merely a distant source of humor. Regards, Don

To: TobagoJack who wrote (6852)	8/7/2001 1:02:17 PM
From: Bert	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Jay...one of the best threads on SI..any thoughts on this "news"? vny.com TIA Bert

To: TobagoJack who wrote (6852)	8/7/2001 2:27:51 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Respond to of 74559

Thanks. This is how the internet is most useful: to exchange views with people who stand in a place very different from where I am.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (6852)	8/7/2001 4:07:25 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<On the subject of financial market, to the extent that it impacts my NAV, I am interested, and also interested in reading the opinions of others. On the subject of China, to the extent that it impacts my business, I am similarly interested. Otherwise, I prefer to spend my time with family and friends, scuba diving or computer gaming, and every now and then, in solitary jogging exercise along the neighborhood cliff path.> This will never make post of the day, even though it is most likely the most important thing written on SI for a much longer period. JMO DAK

To: TobagoJack who wrote (6852)	9/5/2001 4:49:33 AM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Gee Jay, concerning your ... <<They did all under the guidance that can be summed up in three catch phrases, some of which you are familiar with: (a) it does not matter if a cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice (b) seek truths from facts (c) cross the river steadily while feeling the stones to step on ... ... Communist Party already knows it will have to face a genuine election one day and is studying the ‘hows’ and ‘whats’. Village level election under US observation has already taken place across the country. Experiences are being collated and discussed at the highest levels. The ‘communists’ themselves noted that elections would be bad for them but the lack of elections would be worse. One issue of particular concern is party financing ... The Communist Party is in fact taking lessons from the grandmaster, the KMT, right now.>> Even CNN is beginning to notice that something is up ... asia.cnn.com Chugs, Jay

To: TobagoJack who wrote (6852)	10/7/2003 2:27:05 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Jay; re: India: You said, two years ago: <India is a mishmash of ethnic groups speaking a bunch of distinct languages, divided along caste, education, socioeconomic, political and religious lines, governed by an ostensibly democratic system, but where the leadership is in fact always the same bunch, beholden to the same class of big, long lasting and in effect feudal family groupings. There is ample precedent that truly revolutionary changes are invariably accompanied by bloodletting, where the existing order is swiped away.> Interesting things are happening there. First, they have suddenly gotten a lot more "user-friendly" to Global Capital. The experiment in autarchy has been abandoned. Second, the BJP Party is trying to weld India together, with a radical (and bloody) redefinition of Indian Nationalism. The secular socialist pacifist ideas of Gandhi and Nehru are Out. In, is the idea that being Indian means adhering to one of the Eastern religions: Hindus, also Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, are the in-group. The Western Monotheisms are the out-group. Most nationalisms define themselves by a common language. If India did that, they would go the way of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. India seems to be accepting English as their national language, rather than Hindi. Focusing on a Hated Other, is a tried and true way to unify any group. If successful, this will unify all 1B people in India, except for the 120M Muslims, and a few Christians. As long as they can keep their recurrent conflicts with Pakistan non-nuclear, and limit the extent of the Muslim insurgency to the Kashmir Valley, the rest of the country can be unified and steadily more prosperous. Does this sound like a workable plan?