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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (20877)	8/7/2001 2:17:13 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 82486

You said that YOU were incapable of imagining a Being outside of space and time. But you were able to imagine a God whistling a tune out of the overflowing of "high spirits", and you are now claiming that this "whistling" God was outside of your imagination, and outside of space and time. You are imagining a lot of wonderful and fanciful stuff. Strange that you were capable of pretending to imagine a God of "high spirits", but you came up with a flat head when trying to imagine the "low spirits" that prevailed before God felt the urge to whistle. You need to try harder. You see, Neocon, when you find a tune that is mangled and off-key and arbitrary and destructive to all of life--it takes very little imagination to imagine that the tune was not an overflowing of "high spirits"--LOL!! "High Spirits" was used by you to signify joyful abundance. You imagined all of this--Bravo! But how does joyful abundance comport with the reality we experience with our senses? Most of the human race, and most of our simian ancestors, lived lives of agony and despair--with only a relative few since recorded history having had a brush with control and happiness. There are plenty of things that are unimaginable Garbage. Everything imaginable is imaginable. If it is not imaginable, then it is not in your purview, and not a part of our discussion. I try to encourage non swimmers to stay in the boat. Would you mind not dangling your imagination in the water--I mean to say--in the strictest sense Finally, the universe has a discrete beginning, in the sense that time and space began when it began, but God does not, and therefore there was no point where the universe did not exist--- from the perspective of eternity. YOU don't know ANYTHING about God: Not a single solitary thing. Nor do you know ANYTHING about the "perspective of eternity". Furthermore, even your imagination is sterile, dry, and dated. Modern conjecture supposes that God could not have existed outside of space and time, and still be in it now. But you may imagine everything about the supernatural you wish. Just please spare us the conceit that your supernatural beliefs about God are any more valuable or valid than the supernatural imaginings of any other human being who ever walked, talked, or threw a rock. I'm going to row you back to shore before you drown...