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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: microhoogle! who wrote (168818)8/8/2001 10:04:36 AM
From: Carolyn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
IQ=98? Well, if that is the case (which I do not believe), he did pretty well for himself! How many of you can say the same?



To: microhoogle! who wrote (168818)8/8/2001 10:08:43 AM
From: DMaA  Respond to of 769667
 
Do you really think intelligence can be reduced to a single natural number? Better to try to understand the Pacific ocean by staring into a bucket of sea water.



To: microhoogle! who wrote (168818)8/8/2001 10:58:59 AM
From: Bob  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
Totally Fabricated.



Comments: You'd think Americans would have grown weary of "Bush is an idiot" jokes by now, but the popularity of this forwarded email suggests otherwise.

It's obviously satire, though in a few cases it has been posted around the Net as factual and, strange as it seems, hotly debated.

We have found no evidence of a "Lovenstein Institute" in Scranton, Pennsylvania or anywhere else. There's no trace of a "Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist" or "Professor Patricia F. Dilliams, world-respected psychiatrist" — not in this world, at any rate. All of the facts and figures appear to have been made up. Some versions of the text claim it was published by the Associated Press, which is not the case.

The apparent source of this work of fiction was www.linkydinky.com, which is home, appropriately enough, to a humor mailing list.




urbanlegends.about.com



To: microhoogle! who wrote (168818)8/8/2001 11:14:49 AM
From: willcousa  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Re Bush IQ. That is the stupidest piece of garbage anyone has thrown out on this thread yet. Not meant personally, mind you, just an evaluation of the article. IQ's are difficult enough without being done long distance. They might as well have asked a stock market analyst. And remember that IQ's are invalid when considering affirmative action.



To: microhoogle! who wrote (168818)8/8/2001 11:14:56 AM
From: Gordon A. Langston  Respond to of 769667
 
Murali

My wife taught children of this IQ range in high school. For some to believe that they not only could graduate from Yale and Harvard but become President, well, it's at least an indictment of "their" education.

Also check out snopes.com for urban legends. You will find the one on this phony IQ test and also a comment that he did write a book, "A Charge to Keep".



To: microhoogle! who wrote (168818)8/8/2001 11:16:33 AM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 769667
 
January 14, 2001
Bush gets bad rap on intelligence
By Aubrey Immelman
Times columnist

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed ...
— W. B. Yeats, "The Second Coming"
A week from today, the sun will rise on the second Bush presidency in a generation, in what for some may be a day of trepidation. Does Bush the Younger have what it takes to lead the nation in the new millennium?

It's a question that transcends concerns about George W. Bush's conservatism or a path to power marred by youthful indiscretions. It's not about ideology or character; it's a question of cognitive capacity.

The Spanish physician Juan Huarte in 1575 proposed one of the earliest recorded definitions of intelligence: learning ability, imaginativeness and good judgment. Undoubtedly, the mantle of the modern U.S. presidency imposes a steep learning curve and demands vision, wisdom and discretion.

Equally clear is this: Sheer intellectual brilliance does not cut it in the Oval Office.

In terms of brute brainpower, the smartest postwar presidents were Richard Nixon, a Duke Law School graduate with a reported IQ of 143; Jimmy Carter, who graduated in the top 10 percent of his Naval Academy class; and Rhodes scholar Bill Clinton, a graduate of Georgetown University and Yale Law School. Deeply flawed presidencies all, despite their potential.

In contrast, take high school graduate Harry Truman — railroad worker, clerk, bookkeeper, farmer, road inspector and small-town postmaster — or Ronald Reagan, sports announcer and B-list actor with mediocre college credentials.

Despite their intellectual limitations, both achieved substantial political success as president. And, to press home the point, there is Franklin D. Roosevelt, a top-tier president in rankings of historical greatness, whom the late Supreme Court justice Oliver Wendell Holmes branded "a second-rate intellect but a first-class temperament."

Huarte's notion of intelligence comprises a mix of mental acumen and emotional discernment that provides a sound foundation for modern-day presidential success.

To put it bluntly, the president need not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he does need a full deck of cards. He must be comfortable in his own skin, free of emotional demons, and surround himself with competent people. With apologies to Saturday Night Live's Stuart Smalley, the successful president need not be a towering giant, he just needs to be good enough, smart enough — and, doggone-it, people must like him.

George W. Bush can be likable and charming. But, as the New York Times pondered in a front-page article on June 19, 2000, "is he smart enough to be president?"

Unlike John F. Kennedy, who obtained an IQ score of 119, or Al Gore, who achieved scores of 133 and 134 on intelligence tests taken at the beginning of his high school freshman and senior years, no IQ data are available for George W. Bush. But we do know that the young Bush registered a score of 1206 on the SAT, the most widely used test of college aptitude. (The more cerebral Al Gore obtained 1355.)

Statistically, Bush's test performance places him in the top 16 percent of prospective college students — hardly the mark of a dimwit. Of course, the SAT is not designed as an IQ test. But it is highly correlated with general intelligence, to the tune of .80. In plain language, the SAT is two parts a measure of general intelligence and one part a measure of specific scholastic reasoning skills and abilities.

If Bush could score in the top 16 percent of college applicants on the SAT, he would almost certainly rank higher on tests of general intelligence, which are normed with reference to the general population. But even if his rank remained constant at the 84th-percentile level of his SAT score, it would translate to an IQ score of 115.

It's tempting to employ Al Gore's IQ:SAT ratio of 134:1355 as a formula for estimating Bush's probable intelligence quotient — an exercise in fuzzy statistics that predicts a score of 119. If the number sounds familiar, it's precisely the IQ score attributed to Kennedy, whom Princeton political scientist Fred Greenstein, in "The Presidential Difference," commended as "a quick study, whose wit was an indication of a subtle mind."

As a final clue to Bush's cognitive capacity, consider data from Joseph Matarazzo's leading text on intelligence and the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth: The average IQ is about 105 for high school graduates, 115 for college graduates and 125 for people with advanced professional degrees. With his MBA from Harvard Business School, it's not unreasonable to assume that Bush's IQ surpasses the 115 of the average bachelor's-degree-only college graduate.

George W. Bush has often been underestimated. Almost certainly, he's received a bad rap on the count of cognitive capacity. Indications are that, in the arena of mental ability, Bush is in the same league as John F. Kennedy, who graduated 65th in his high-school class of 110 and, in the words of one biographer, "stumbled through Latin, French, mathematics, and English but made respectable marks in physics and history."

The feisty, sometimes-irreverent Bush's mental acuity may lack a little of the sharpness of his tongue, but plainly it is sharp enough. The real test for the president-elect will be whether he possesses the emotional intelligence — the triumph of reason over rigidity and restraint over impulse — to steer the course.

Aubrey Immelman is a political psychologist and an associate professor of psychology at the College of St. Benedict and St. John's University. You may write to him in care of the St. Cloud Times, P.O. Box 768, St. Cloud, MN 56302.


sctimes.com



To: microhoogle! who wrote (168818)8/8/2001 11:17:43 AM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 769667
 
It gives pretty much the same erroneous numbers as the discredited e- mail, which is obviously the source......



To: microhoogle! who wrote (168818)8/8/2001 12:34:13 PM
From: American Spirit  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 769667
 
I thought Habitat for Humanity is for RETIRED Presidents.
Jimmy Carter's organization, Carter who expressed disgust with almost everything Bush has done so far. Boy that 30-day vacation didn't last long. His handlers ordered him off the golf course and cow-fields back into a photo op.

There's a construction crew nextdoor to me, maybe they'll hire Bush if he's smart enough to pound a nail straight. Seriously though, the 91 GW IQ article doesn't surprise me. He has no idea what he's doing, just whatever his handlers tell him on a day to day basis. Says he stands on principles, but the only principle I can see is paybacks and greater profits for his special interest soft money cronies usually at the expense of the environment.

Yesterday his handlers were spinning him as a man of the earth but he's the biggest pollution promoter we've ever had. Today he's a man of the poor but just gave a huge chunk of our surplus to the rich and fought hard to disallow people from sueing HMO's even if the HMO costs them their life. He should know 1000 Points Of Light doesn't work, (his father's version of Faith Based) esp when callous richies like Cheney give only 1% to charity. And aren't Christians supposed to give 10%? Tithing they call it? These people aren't really religious though. We know that.

What a bunch of wrong-headed anti-average people phonies all around. If Bush really cared he'd go to Radio Shack and tell everyone to buy an American computer. Or offer tax breaks for that to get the tech sector out of the hole. The energy cartel needs no more help now. 33 billion in tax breaks for theM? Ridiculouspork barrel politics. They have computer companies in Texas too, GW. But what? They never gave you money so they don't exist?

The more his handlers keep trying to fool us the more we see through this weak-minded representative of oil and big industry over consumers and families trying to make ends meet. His energy cronies have already stolen our tax break. What's next?