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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rambi who wrote (21144)	8/9/2001 1:11:36 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

Of course, that might mean that we are both suffering from pompous "I am right"ness about extremists. <,/i> LOL! Count me a member of that clan.

To: Rambi who wrote (21144)	8/9/2001 1:19:33 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Did you ever read this article, Rambi? It was thrashed around elsewhere when it came out. nytimes.com A rather obvious irony in the alleged "intolerance of religion" that all us nefarious free-thinkers are supposed to be promoting: Who would want to be the low man on the voter poll? When asked in 1999 whether they would consider voting for a woman for president, 92 percent of Americans said yes, up from 76 percent in 1978; 95 percent of respondents would vote for a black, a gain of 22 points since 1978; Jews were up to 92 percent from 82 in the votability index; even homosexuals have soared in popularity, acceptable presidential fodder to 59 percent of Americans today, compared with 26 percent in 1978. But atheists, well, there's no saving them. Of all the categories in this particular Gallup poll, they scraped bottom, considered worthy candidates by only 49 percent of Americans, a gain of a mere 9 percent since 1978. "Throughout American history, there's been this belief that our country has a covenant with God and that a deity watches over America," says Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington. Atheism, in other words, is practically unpatriotic. Another bit: "Society bends over backward to be accommodating to religious sensibilities but not to other kinds of sensibilities," says Richard Dawkins, an evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist. "If I say something offensive to religious people, I'll be universally censured, including by many atheists. But if I say something insulting about Democrats or Republicans or the Green Party, one is allowed to get away with that. Hiding behind the smoke screen of untouchability is something religions have been allowed to get away with for too long." Well, personally I figure the Pope ought to be held accountable for that "every sperm is sacred" business that W seems to have picked up on, anyway.

To: Rambi who wrote (21144)	8/9/2001 4:49:31 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 82486

I don't want the senate praying to Horus or Ra any more than I want them praying to whatever they are praying to now. No praying. No religion. You can hug trees, or pray to Jesus in your private time. And "natural" beliefs- whatever those are (Druids? Wiccans?) have no great attraction for me, or Karen either, I would guess. Everything religious is objectionable if it is foisted upon those who do not want it. Hari Krishna at the airport annoy me immensely, for example. And ANYONE who comes to my door to peddle religion when I quite clearly have a no soliciting sign can expect to be questioned on their understanding of the English language.