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To: jchandler29 who wrote (50407)8/11/2001 11:41:17 AM
From: michael97123  Respond to of 70976
 
JC,
Although it is clear that amat went higher in the upcycle and is staying higher in this downturn, there is no inevitability in hitting those low numbers(or lower) unless it becomes clear that the recovery isn't coming at all or at a date so late as to make current prices unsustainable. Other than that scenario or a nasdaq meltdown, time is on amat's side imo. mike



To: jchandler29 who wrote (50407)8/11/2001 12:06:55 PM
From: Zeev Hed  Respond to of 70976
 
This downturn is worse only in its "peak to valley" ratio. The current order rate is still some 40% to 50% higher than at the last through (from memory, in 1998 orders bottomed at about $.5 B monthly and right now we are a tad above $.7 B). Last year, I had some "target lows" for this cycle, and indeed my target low for AMAT was $25 (we never got close), but for CYMI, it was in the $15-$17.5 and we have already achieved that one. During the last cycle, CYMI's low was really a big overshoot (If memory serves, my target was $13 or so, and it got, as you correctly state, $6). I think that overshoot could have been due to the fact that fo CYMI it was its first major "down cycle", and the market was not sure it can survive a major downturn. Today, CYMI is a more mature company, and thus the market did not punish it that much.

As for why should these stocks not return to these previous lows (and by the way, I think AMAT was under $25 in the pre-split stock in late 1998, or closer to $11 in the current stock), I think that the whole industry and AMAT as well are simply much bigger than then, furthermore, in late 98, the tech' arena was just being flooded with a large number of new companies, creating tough competition for funds allocated to techs, leaving less for the semi's and equip. In the recovery, which I hope will start post the traditional October low, I expect the semi-equips to command a premium due to the intrinsic problems in other sectors of high techs (particularly the absence of some 500 issues that have been delisted in the last six month, the dot.com failure, and the perception of a slower deployment of photonics). This environment, might be one reason the semi and semi equip are so resilient here and have not made new lows in April. The semi equip valuations, in general, are quite high, but liquidity flowing into these issues simply compensates partially for that. I still have another major leg down in this protracted bear, and Cary might get some AMAT at the $25 level yet (g).

Zeev