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To: long-gone who wrote (74854)	8/12/2001 2:34:58 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116763

Q. Does a single board foot of Canadian timber come from private land? A. Yes. One board foot of CDN timber came from Hiram Dweebs private wood lot in Fernie last year. It was lying there on the ground and a multi-national company picked it up on their way to a low priced government parcel paradise which they were arrogantly clear cutting and not replanting courtesy of the unknowing Canadian taxpayer and his corrupt government. There are private wood lots in Ontario, a few in BC and many called crown patents in Ontario and BC. In some areas of Ontario there is land with the timber rights on it as patent. Other patents do not own the timber. Generally the pine is owned by the "crown" or gov't. Companies are always involved in patented or private land searches, as for small and large companies it is one of the most fertile sources of timber where they do not have to fight with the gov't for allotments. These patents are the subject of legal searches on a constant basis for these and mining rights. Often the owners turn out to be overseas. I worked on many bid wood lots that were crown land in BC. I also lived on a private wood lot that we logged for cedar in the same province. I have worked on private and public lands in Ontario as well. People I know used to hold the largest white pine concession in Canada in the Temagami area. It was always being held hostage to native land claims by socialist gov't encouragement and was never actively logged for very long. Their company had held the rights to his valuable wood with high commercial value in old growth forest for perhaps slightly less than 100 years but it was always too expensive to log. Some people won't let you log when the trees are too young and others when they are too old. You can't win. Most land with trees on it in the States and Canada is government controlled. Since 1968, fr. socialist gov'ts have restricted for all uses (ski resorts, lodges, logging, mining etc..), this previously available land to their friends (English River) and large foreign bribe-paying companies. People I know in Canadian logging have been booted from areas such as Algonquin Park by undercutting foreign companies who ignore regulations and ignorant gov't officials who bow to socialist? pressure to stop logging in parks where it has been shown to be absolutely benign and non-polluting. (Even to the point of preserving and improving animal habitats (where it was selective not clear cut)). The hidden cost of logging in Canada is the gov't environmental costs, fines and assessments, the higher taxes and employment costs, higher wages, and long transportation distances to market. Add in foreign dumping practices and ability of politically connected multi-nationals to avoid regs and costs and you have an unfair situation for small saw log producers. No saw mill I know can take only species they want and get saw log. They have to take inferior allotments and do clear cut while gov't supported orgs like Tembec get all the cream. Being forced to cut pulp, haul long distances and sell for low bucks to people like Poison Cascade, Mac Blows, or (shudder), worse still, Malettes you just can't make a buck as a saw mill. The inferior sawlog you get in these pencil stick stands ain't worth it. James River gets all the meat. You get the drippings. Jobber log on a Malette's allotment and you get cost for your wood. Log on a Domtar allotment or a Buchanan allotment and same thing. You go bankrupt in two seasons. All the private saw mills with few exceptions are out of business from the days of old. Everything is the big pulp boys. And with their modernization/polution control costs, haulage distances and US control of pulp prices they don't make that much money either. EC<:-}