To: Lane3 who wrote (21569 ) 8/12/2001 5:17:40 PM From: The Philosopher Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 The only thing lost here would be the pretense of traditional marriage. I can see how society may be sentimentally attached to it. It's more than that that's lost, IMO. We are starting to see the results of the de-emphasis of the nuclear family, and it isn't pretty. IMO, the pendulum will swing in another generation back toward traditional nuclear families. I already sense that happening, just as we've seen the free love ethos of the 60s being replaced, not 100% of course but significantly, by an emphasis on monogamy and more college student talking about remaining virginal until marriage. We're certainly not back to the 50s yet, and may never get back there, but there's a definite retrenchment. I meant not that same-sex marriages were extant but that but that the traditional sense of marriage had crossed the line where the critical mass is outside the bottle. I don't agree. Yes, here in the US there are other kinds of relationships trying to emerge from the bottle. But keep in mind that we are only a small percentage of the world's population. I don't see humankind in any sense following the US in this, and indeed I think part of the international dissatisfaction with the US is with the lifestyle example we're setting as well as with our political postures. There are a few small European countries that are moving this way, too, but most of the world is firmly and securely committed to traditional marriage; I read in Iran that they're resume flogging for those caught indulging in sex outside of marriage. And even here, the fastest growing churches in the country are the Evangelical churches which are preaching and practicing conservative moral values in revolt againist societal excess of the past generation. Our generation, I fear. There's a hunger to return to what people have for thousands of years known is really the "right" way to live.