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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2788)8/16/2001 3:40:13 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 23908
 
Sounds like you haven't heard of European child-sex abuses, incestuous practices, and porn business either, have you?

uri.edu
Excerpt:

At least 200 women, including girls under the age of 16, were trafficked by one Polish man to Germany and the Netherlands between 1993 and 1996. (Warsaw Voice, 1996, "Trafficking of Women to the European Union: Characterisitics, Trends and Policy Issues," European Conference on Trafficking in Women, June 1996), IOM, 7 May 1996)

Two German lawyers, Bernd Malitzki, 31, and Sabine Pohl-Jovanovic, 37, offered to acquire a Czech girl of 12-14 for "extreme sex games" for DM12,000, if she died they would dispose of the body for DM3,000 (US$1,580). They used the Internet for initial contacts under the nicknames of "Sado-Hangman" and "Leather-Witch." Malitzki said he was a practicing sado-masochist. Police found a soundproofed torture room in their home in Stephanskirchen, near Rosenheim in southern Germany. They were arrested under charges of conspiracy to kidnap, conspiracy to abuse children and conspiracy to murder. ("German couple on trial for Net torture," Calgary Herald, 7 August 1997)
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In Belgium:
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Excerpt:

Organized and Institutionalized Sexual Exploitation and Violence

A Nigerian women seeking asylum in Belgium for gender-related violence died while gendarmes (police) escorted her during her deportation. The 20-year-old woman was trying to escape a forced marriage to a polygamous 65-year-old man with a history of abusing his other wives. The gendarmes used an approved technique to subdue the woman who had been shouting. The men pressed a small pillow to her mouth. The woman suffered a meningeal hemorrhage and brain death. Her deportation was filmed since she had resisted four earlier attempts to deport her. Her request for asylum was denied as her claims were considered "unfounded." Hundreds of people protested the treatment of the women at a hospital and at the home of the Belgian Interior Minister Louis Tobback, calling for his resignation. (Bert Lauwers, "Anger in Belgium after young Nigerian woman dies," Reuters, 23 September 1998)

Interior Minister Louis Tobback took responsibility for the Nigerian woman's death following the storming of the Senate building by anti-government protestors. Tobback said the woman's deportation was justified and her case had not met the requirements for political asylum as set forth in the Geneva Convention and under humanitarian grounds. He also stated that only highly qualified gendarmes had been chosen to escort her. The woman, handcuffed and in leg irons, was subdued after she began screaming as other passengers boarded the aircraft. (Leslie Adler, "Belgian minister takes blame in death of refugee," Reuters, 23 September 1998)

Interior Minister Louis Tobback offered his resignation over the death of the Nigerian woman. He admitted that the woman died because of mistakes made by police during her deportation. His resignation came after international outrage, including protests in Paris and a letter of concern signed by 100 worldwide legislators. One of the police officers being investigated in the death previously faced an investigation in similar case. The woman arrived in Belgium in March, 1998; she was then held in a detention center for refugees. ("Belgian minister offers resignation over refugee," Reuters, 24 September 1998)
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Or just pick any country from the list below...

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...and then lecture me about the condition of women in the "civilized" West --or just tell me more about the Mormons' polygamy and incestuous practices. Oh, idiot that I am! Carolyn told me: Mormon women just love it... Hey, it's a FREE country after all!!



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2788)8/16/2001 4:04:21 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 23908
 
Footnote to my previous post...

Wanna try Brazil's Rent-a-Girl?? Here you're:

Brazil has one of the worst child prostitution problems in the world and a thriving sex tourism industry has developed in more impoverished states like Bahia and Amazonas. (Social Security Network, "Brazil spends $1.7 ml on helping child prostitutes", Reuters, 12 June 1998)

Brazil is one of the favored destinations of paedophile sex tourists from Europe and the United States. ("Global law to punish sex tourists sought by Britain and EU," The Indian Express, 21 November 1997

In Porto Murtinho, a town of 11 thousand, there are six locations of prostitution. In Coruma (pop. 87.8 thousand) 16 prostitution establishments were found. In Campo Grande, (pop. 600 thousand) there are 12 prostitution establishments where over 100 young girls from Sao Paulo, Goias, Parana, Minas Gerais, Paraguay and Chile are prostituted in sex tourism. Tourists buy girls for periods of one or two weeks. This practice also occurs in the municipality of Coxim where tourists staying in fishing campments hire young girls. (Titular Council for Children and Adolescents, "Child prostitutes used in 'sex tourism' in Pantannal," SEJUP #287, 17 September, 1997)

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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2788)8/23/2001 5:46:21 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 23908
 
Nadine, did you know that Sharia (Islamic law like cutting off a hand...) was still practiced by the Belgians on a wid scale in their African colony?

King Leopold's Ghost Makes a Comeback
Tamara Straus, AlterNet
September 24, 1999


alternet.org

Excerpt:

AlterNet talked to Adam Hochschild about the reaction to his provocative book, the history of the Congo and the political landscape of the post-colonial era.

It's an unusual thing when a book about African history makes a bestseller list. Yours reached the #10 spot on the nonfiction bestseller list among independent bookstores nationally this month. Why?

AH: Publishers, like reporters, practice herd behavior. They think in categories. King Leopold's Ghost was offered to 10 publishers. Nine turned it down. They thought people weren't interested in African history. And that may be true. But I deeply believe that if you have a good story, and can tell it in a way that brings characters alive, that brings out the moral dimension, that lays bare a great crime and a great crusade, people will read it. And they have. The book has been or soon will be published in half a dozen countries so far, and there are in total well over 100,000 copies in print.

What has been the reaction to the book in Belgium?

AH: It's been fascinating to watch. It was published in both French and Dutch, the country's two languages, and became the #1 bestseller in each. The reviews were very nice, but the old colonials were absolutely enraged. There are tens of thousands of Belgians who had to come home in a hurry when the Congo became independent in 1960, and for them King Leopold II is a great hero. If you read French, you can follow their attacks on the book on the Internet. There's also a website where Congolese students in Europe have been talking about the book. One posted an anguished message saying that when he quoted some figures from it in making the oral defense of his thesis, his thesis chairman promptly flunked him. So you can see that the wounds of that whole colonial relationship are still very raw. Faulkner, speaking of the American South, said it best: "The past is not dead. It's not even past."

How do you explain the erasure of the Congolese genocide? What does it say about the West's attitude toward the colonial period in Africa?

AH: Americans and Europeans are accustomed to thinking of fascism and communism as the twin evils of this century. But the century has really been home to three great totalitarian systems--fascism, communism and colonialism--the latter practiced at its most deadly in Africa. In the West we don't want to recognize this because we were complicit in it. Countries that were democratic in Europe conducted mass murder in Africa--with little or no protest from the U.S.
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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (2788)8/23/2001 6:03:39 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 23908
 
Follow-up post...

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