Re: 6-8/01 [BVSN] Sampling of allegedly defamatory posts for BroadVision v. Does 1-9
Doe 1: "bv585broadway", for posts on 6/06/01
Re: DOW JONES NEW--BVSN LICENSES SUNW JA
by: bv585broadway 06/06/01 01:03 pm
Msg: 160390 of 166455
In BroadVision, there is no standards, Looking at existing BroadVision site, you should not be surpprised that a lot of hacks been done in order to have something work.
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Re: Good News...still it falls..
by: bv585broadway 06/06/01 01:05 pm
Msg: 160391 of 166455
You can not trust BroadVision management, They have tendancy not telling the truth to Public as well as theirs own employees.
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Doe 2: "dr_chen_pehong", for a post on 6/19
Layoffs servance pay
by: dr_chen_pehong 06/19/01 10:31 pm
Msg: 161904 of 166455
this time will be six months base salary, in stead of 3 weeks like last time. We are doing this because too much lawsuits against us, partners and employees. We did not realize that we fucked so much people.
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Doe3: "smartinv2001", for post #164317
Re: Wake up. Here we are again at a poi
by: smartinv2001 07/11/01 09:20 am
Msg: 164317 of 166453
People keep bringing up the point about 1200+ customers. Why don't you guys realize that there's very little recurring revenue from these old customers. Most of them don't even want to touch BV in the near future.
When I was at BVNY, I was in charge of TRIAGE accounts, where customers used to hate BV software openly and I personally ended up sending some of the brightest of the techies to these spots (with very little cooperation from idiots like Che' and Alec ofcourse). They never wanted to deal with these two idiots anyway.
These customers spent a fortune on BV and never wanted to pay over $300 to highpriced BV consultants (right out of boot camps).
- The question is, if the customers don't want to do anything with BV in the future, what's the big deal in boasting about 1200+ customers???
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Doe4: "bvsmgr", for post #164430, on 7/12/01
Re: A TRIAG account is...
by: bvsmgr 07/12/01 01:41 am
Msg: 164430 of 166453
CSM's lie through their teeth and overcommit
consultants to the customer. Further, the
products are very difficult to use and very
painful to develop with. The net combination
of sales/CSM over-sell plus a buggy and inflexible product is field consultant failure, missed deadlines, emotional and intellectual burnout and net customer dis-satisfaction.
No BroadVision account was ever delivered with
consultants feeling good about what they did. All accounts resulted in total employee burnout.
No BroadVision reference account ever occurred without substantial free (unbilled) hours.
The company ran at a billion miles per hour - skipping all of the necessary steps of evolution and violating the laws of human nature in every conceivable way. Human beings was burned out to make up the deficiencies of ship-date-ware that was pushed out the door too soon so that BV could be all features to all markets.
It should be no suprise that the company is
imploding from within.
Anyone with half a brain will have left voluntarily after exercising options. There is
a much better world out there than what was
BroadVision. There is life after BVGS consulting.
These are names of good people in BroadVision:
McCurley, Pollock, Burazinsky, Kemeklus, Kerr, Doyle, Feng, Vastbinder. I hope they are not there any longer.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 164322 by ipoopbigturds
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Doe5: "early_wave_layoff", for post #163768 on 7/04/01, and for four other posts in early July
BVSN could be in death spiral ...
by: early_wave_layoff (35/M/New York, NY)
Long-Term Sentiment: Sell 07/04/01 05:35 pm
Msg: 163768 of 166454
As company gets smaller it is less able to compete with Oracle, IBM - even VIGN. Less able to innovate, less able to market, less able to support multiple demanding customers like AA.
What Fortune 500 company will buy software from a money-losing vendor with only 2-3 quarters of cash in the bank ? Existing customers may buy upgrade - not enough to fund overhead of 50 million a quarter. Add to that concern about continuing management changes.
In previous quarter more money came from services than sales !
Smart people who can get jobs have started bailing.
Chen's goal is to get company profitable by 4th quarter. Unfortunately, choice of who to cut goes to new managers who don't know who is working or not.
2-3 quarters of cash at this point (probably closer to 2)
Pehong could manage this company pretty well at <500 people. Maybe it could be a niche player at that point - no chance to be a gorilla now.
Market cap of niche player = 100 to 500 million dollars = 50 cent to 2 dollar stock.
Questions, please ?
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Doe6: "yosemite_april", for posts on 7/05/01 and 7/06/01
Nancy M (IBM TO ACQUIRE BVSN)
by: yosemite_april 07/05/01 04:06 pm
Msg: 163875 of 166455
<< She may be in charge, but she's not effective. Only her friends have high position and she provide no leadership and all engineer hate her. Ask them. >>
Yep...she's not well-loved because of the blatant favoritism and promoting incompetance.
HOWEVER, engineering wouldn't like anybody who doesn't agree with them. They (eng) are a very bright group, but not very (how do I say this nicely?) teachable or team oriented.
Nancy came in and tried to make them be more responsive to the market & customers. I'm not saying I agree with her methods or pace, but she had the right goal in mind.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 163736 by belsenb
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Re: opinion about BVSN CEO
by: yosemite_april 07/05/01 04:22 pm
Msg: 163878 of 166455
I believe you're correct--this board wants to believe Randy Bolton is 100% of the problem.
I don't have high hopes for BVSN because of multiple issues:
1) Bolton is just one of many exec-level staff who are in over their head.
2) House cleaning (i.e., firings) was too little, too late, and indecisive
3) The old Java + C++ debate isn't really about technology--it's about a company's ability to fine tune strategy to meet a changing market.
For me, BVSN has demonstrated a decided bias for innaction across the board. That is not the mark of a company that survives long term.
It's too bad really. There is some excellent talent there, and the customer list built up during the 1998-early 2000 run up is very impressive.
Disclosure: I said it before, but I'll mention that I resigned from BVSN early this year. So, I have some in-depth knowledge of the company, but am obviously biased against their success. :-)
Posted as a reply to: Msg 163767 by ahmedali3
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Re: opinion about BVSN CEO
by: yosemite_april 07/05/01 04:56 pm
Msg: 163890 of 166455
<< So, in a nutshell, you were fired. You're correct, you are obviously biased against their success, and they yours. >>
As I honestly stated: I *resigned* early this year because I had no faith in abiity of BVSN to make it. I actually wanted to be laid off, but survived. So I quit. (Turns out the layoff package was lame anyway, so no big loss.)
You can call me ugly or stupid, but please don't question my integrity :-)
I still wish BVSN would succeed--I put a lot into it and care about many of the people still there.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 163884 by nvrsetl4les
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Re: To: Yosemite April
by: yosemite_april 07/05/01 05:02 pm
Msg: 163891 of 166455
See earlier post--I was honest when I said I resigned. Please don't question my integrity.
I watch the board, looking for some glimmer of upbeat sentiment. I step in on some threads when there seems to be factual errors (such as blaming all BVSN problems on Randy Bolton).
I talk to BVSN employees for scoop about the inside mood, changes etc. This company needs to make some serious changes FAST and I'm trying to figure out if I should fish or cut bait with my remaining shares.
I'm holding, leaning toward cutting bai.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 163887 by nvrsetl4les
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Re: opinion about BVSN CEO
by: yosemite_april 07/05/01 06:16 pm
Msg: 163902 of 166455
<< A lot of BVSN exec bashing going on...are Bolten, Chen and Mills the only questions? Who are the other 'names in the frame' that deserve public scrutiny? >>
There are a bunch of VPs there who were promoted above ability. I don't want to start making lists of names--that's unfair.
I think the general feeling is that if the Exec VPs get replaced, then some house cleaning will occur. Right now, management at the top is so weak even good VPs, etc. really can't succeed.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 163899 by byebyeblackbird2002
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Re: Potential new investor, but am
by: yosemite_april 07/05/01 06:43 pm
Msg: 163906 of 166455
<< hard-pressed to find anything positive about this company. Any constructive posts would be appreciated... no hypes or bashes please.
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IMHO, BVSN's greatest asset is its marquee customer list. They did a great job selling to Global2000 organizations during the 1998-2000 B2C/B2B craze. They still sell a lot of enterprise portals. You won't find a more impressive e-commerce customer list. This is one reason they're ripe for being acquired.
Another great asset, but shrinking very fast, was the sales force. This team knew how to call on the CIO and make strategic sales. It's very difficult for companies to build that kind of sales force. Let's not forget that their sales team BEAT revenues for Q4 when competitors were shrinking. BVSN reported a Q4 loss due to management incompetance resulting in a $12Million "surprise" in expenses. This is one reason this message board started wishing for new execs.
Their products are robust and highly functional--once they're installed, etc. The big product problems have been that they are VERY difficult to customize, configure, manage, install. So BVSN sells a "buy" product (in the "build vs. buy" argument) that often takes more services than a "build" (such as BEA, IBM Websphere.) Customers love the product results once they cross the implementation/upgrade hurdles (which are 90-180 consulting days!) Product issues could be fixed if there was a will. Product is built by PhDs, for PhDs. There has been a strong undercurrent that if you couldn't use it, you're too dumb to be worthy of it.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 163904 by cj_19622
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v6 Beta Program (was: How Many VPs?)
by: yosemite_april 07/06/01 02:51 pm
Msg: 164020 of 166455
There were 2 real problems with v6 beta:
1) Engineering NEVER supported it. Pehong announced to the world a beta in DECEMBER; engineers smiled and said they wouldn't do it. Clark Catelain supported engineering.
2) The person who was in charge of getting beta going had to escalate to highest levels to get any movement from engineering at all. This person was laid off in February with no one to pick it up.
v6 release is symptomatic of BVSN's process; products, features, dates are announced and committed (by Pehong, etc.) Engineering *only* commits to the final release date--features, quality, docs, etc. slip or are dropped to meet the date.
Result: while the core product may be of good quality, nobody is trained, no beta, no docs, critical features missing.
Posted as a reply to: Msg 163970 by z_to_me
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Doe7: "z_to_me", for posts between 7/05/01 and 7/12/01
Re: How Many VPs?
by: z_to_me (34/Dallas, TX) 07/06/01 10:20 am
Msg: 163970 of 166455
Just to give some insight to Queen Nancy and how incompetent she is, before the launch of 6.0, she announced BV would have a beta program for it. The launch was set for March and of January, no one was officially in charge of the program (and with all the VP’s, there was no lack of people to do the job), luckily a few people picked up the ball and tried their best to get things going even though the clock was running out. As March came around, no policies were set, no beta users testing guideline were in place, NO documentation was available, NO one was trained, very few were briefed of any details on the product and the majority of the code was in Alpha stage at best.
The end result of the program ended up with no reference-able beta users and a complete waste of time with no useful data from beta users…..complete wash. And who took the blame, a few she did not like. I felt sorry for one that I knew did everything to save the program and instead of getting a pat on the back, got a boot in the ass. But did she take any heat on it….NO.
Disclaimer: Yes I got laid off. Yes this is true information. Yes these are sour grapes but damn it feels good. Nothing like a little message board therapy. Yes I will get over it and move on but for a few more days, I will enjoy hearing of others tell the truth of the executives that screwed things up.
Z
Posted as a reply to: Msg 163943 by belsenb
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Re: What's UGLY@BVSN???
by: z_to_me (34/Dallas, TX) 07/09/01 02:35 pm
Msg: 164180 of 166456
>>Agreed, DCC should have been improved long ago. What ever happened to the "thin-client rules" tool that Yvonne French was developing ???
--Up until a few months ago, a weak commitment was set for end of year but Yvonne even said not to promise this date. She said Q1 '02 at best.
>>The "Infopump" still doesn't work right ?? Probably don't have enough engineers to throw on it - minor issue, anyway.
-- I dissagree on this one. On four different opportunities I was involved in, we lost out specifically because of a pour and un-usable content management tool. Content is king and if you think you are a personalization king, you better be able to get content in quickly and easily by none IT people or your site is useless. The trend I saw was content management moved to the front of the corporate "E" project list. After talking to engineering, I was told not to expect anything major happen to really integrate Bladerunner (1:1 Publishing)for 2 more quarters.
>>The knowledge product AKA Info Exchange Portal -(stupid name, thank Pehong !), could be a really good product. They laid off Thierry Costa who invented Knowledge and understood the market for portals as well or better than anyone in the company - go figure. I guess they are putting most of the R&D into it now.
--This product could/can save BVSN if:
*they get a marketing strategy that actually gets the word out that they are in the portal
business (and have a strong product)
*educate the sales and the rest of the company on what is does and how to apply it to a clients needs
>>It's a waiting game for BVSN - wait for ATG and BLUE to go under. Then it's a fight to the death with VIGN - only 1 will survive to take on ORCL, SEBL, etc.
--With the new change in management at VIGN, I would put my money on VIGN. As far as I know, they had one major layoff and not quarterly ones to keep employee's moral up along with understanding its own value proposition.
Z
Posted as a reply to: Msg 164144 by early_wave_layoff
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Re: A TRIAG account is...
by: z_to_me (34/Dallas, TX) 07/12/01 02:53 pm
Msg: 164490 of 166458
>>I realized very quickly that my management was clueless when it came to providing professional services.
In the central region, the VP of WPSO had no experience with consulting and the results were consults being billed for $275 - $375/hr and producing absolutely worthless diverables. The end results were WAY to many clients going into Triage.
If Nancy or Pehong had hired an ex-big 5'er or experienced person, my guess there would be a few less unhappy clients.
From what I've hear lately, the Longaberger account is triage. The Eaton account was a complete wash, they jumped over the triage stage and completely pulled BV out and stopped all developement.
Disclaimer: Laidoff BV person, sour apples, but telling the truth. Message board therapy.
z
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Doe8: "belsenb", for posts between 6/29/01 and 7/06/01
Blame it on Engineering!
by: belsenb 06/29/01 09:11 pm
Msg: 163164 of 166459
I never worked for this piece of shit, but I know many who work(ed) there.
Wonder guru of engineering left at BVSN's time of great need - during the 6.0 dev. He knew this piece of shit would never fly. Oh yes, it came out on time, but take a look at it.
Clark Catelain is that person and his goal was always to save money on R&D and it shows in the quality of the product. Now BVSN struggles to make the customers happy, when Clark is retired and laughing with all his $. He came from the client / server world, when customers would wait a year for fix, and could do nothing. He NEVER traveled unless Pehong told him to, and never wanted to talk to customers unless he had to. He also ran the IT department, which couldn't get a new employee a computer for almost 3 months, and then ended up going over budget by millions. Of course, this isn't his fault. He say to everyone "Listen, the it mgr doesn't call me back either, so it's not my fault." He also says that supporting features in verity is like supporting all of SAP or any ERP features. Uh... Clark? Verity is not exactly SAP. Lazy A-hole. Clark say he launched 100 products on time...because he kept fighting with prod mktg and cut the scope of products down to a pin. Then he brags about it while sales suffer because of piece of shit product.
Engineers are so arrogant, that they never think that anyone else in the company is worth 2 cents. In fact, because they can get the software to work in the lab, they think partner and customer will get it to work. They think everyone else is too stupid.
Biggest customers are compaq and intel...and West Michell insult them by saying "windoze" instead of "windows". Eng group is a bunch of socially dysfunct nimrods, who don't realize that the company need to sell software in order to survive.
Eric Colan, former CTO and CIO, could not get fired to save his life, until this past spring. He did not act as CTO, instead he gave canned presentations in front of customer and partner, and never prepare. Even when sales rep asked him to prepare something special. He did nothing to help get the company over to Java...he kept sniffing Pehong's cool aid and think that C++ and Corba are going to cut it in the real world market.
Jim Danos screw up big time too... He let Ken Powell spend reckless and bought luxury box at Dallas basketball team center, and never brought customer there. He also spent waste millions on hotel space not used during 2001 kick off. Jim Danos approve all of this, and finally replace Ken Powell with non-performer from interleaf.
Pehong Chen is check out, and he no longer has vision for company or product. Nancy Mill is now practically CEO. She has 68 VP's in her organization. She also have "np" or they say "nancy pets". If you argue with nancy, you get fired. If you agree with her, then you get promoted, even if no talent. She hire people who take up big overhead, and need 100 staff each to produce reposity of document. Ask Nancy about Jim, Ian or Vicky. Big time jokes. Nancy group never make a penny of profit.
Nancy now run engineering, and she afraid engineers going to quit, so she let them behave badly and even put up web site of fired people. No one engineer respect nancy single bit.
Marketing is still a joke... new CMO only critize company, has no new ideas. Former CMO spent millions last fall on satellite broadcast, only to get no sales. pitiful roi.
Pehong cannot fire anyone, so he promote them. He did with CTO, CMO, VP Sale, etc. He too proud to quit job or hire a real ceo or sell the company. No executive have guts to tell him to quit and board is weak.
Professional Service losing money big time and cutting jobs almost every day. Few good people left are going to leave soon.
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Blame it on Engineering - Part 2
by: belsenb 06/29/01 09:12 pm
Msg: 163165 of 166459
New CTO of company never leave HQ unless absolutely have to. No name, no java experience and clue how to make product better for customer.
Ignorant and Arrogant CFO try to ruin company, but still Pehong not fire him.
I recommend dump this stock before it gets delisted from Nasdaq. I lost big shit on this stock too. Ask customer if they like prod? Now, selling solutions via roi...they form this group last July under Drew B. (can't spell name) and promote him to VP. Nothing to show after year.
I challenge anyone to prove me liar. Company is falling apart and executive staff has no talent to change around bad condition. Cash is almost gone.
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Re: Pehong Fire Mark Wainess ....
by: belsenb 06/29/01 09:21 pm
Msg: 163166 of 166459
He just middle manager. Execs need to go.
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Re: To Pehong
by: belsenb 06/29/01 09:22 pm
Msg: 163167 of 166459
Yup...you got it all right. Nancy's vp nothing but her pets.
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BVSN biggest mistakes?
by: belsenb 06/29/01 09:36 pm
Msg: 163169 of 166459
Vote here:
1) Interleaf abortion purchase for 900 million, going to take another 20 months to pay off. 99% of employees worthless and losers. all fired now. Even worse, no ROI on product - buttrunner - big piece of crap.
2) Randy Bolten - CFO - hiring him in the first place
3) Randy Bolten - CFO - not firing him.
4) Pehong refusal to get real CEO
5) Ken Powell hire and flush money down toilet.
6) Rainy Meritt re-hire
7) Pehong sniffing too much cool aid and trying to convince world of c++ and corba is the future.
You decide!
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Doe9: "bv405broadway", for a post on 6/21/01
Re: big layoffs tommorrow?
by: bv405broadway (34/M) 06/21/01 01:56 am
Msg: 162044 of 166459
Round 3 is set to commence.
Looking at maybe 50-60 million in revenue this
quarter. Not pretty.
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