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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (40356)8/17/2001 12:00:31 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
<<foreigners are pulling out of US stocks
right under our eyes
and CNBC is blind to this headline story>>

That wouldn't be the first time CNBC missed something important <VBG>.

-Scott



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (40356)8/17/2001 12:04:39 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
POLL: Wall St. Sees Fed Rate Cut Next Week

Thursday August 16 6:03 PM ET

By Marjorie Olster

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Wall Street has no doubt the Federal Reserve (news - web sites) will cut interest rates at least one more time this year when it meets next week to assess whether the U.S. economy has hit the bottom of its slump, a Reuters poll on Thursday showed.

The poll of 25 primary dealers of U.S. government securities found that a growing number think the anticipated rate cut next week will not be the last in this cycle.

The dealers, who work directly with the Fed in fixed income markets, unanimously predicted the policy-setting Federal Open Market Committee (news - web sites) would reduce the 3.75 percent federal funds rate on overnight bank lending to 3.50 percent on Tuesday.

But they are essentially split over whether the Fed will make any further cuts after that.

Thirteen predicted no more cuts after next week, while 12 expected at least one more quarter-point reduction in October or by year-end. In the prior poll on Aug. 3, nine predicted an October cut while 16 saw no more moves. The forecast for August was unchanged from the prior poll.

``My personal view is we are almost certain to get a noticeable pickup in growth in the third quarter,'' said Ethan Harris, economist at Lehman Brothers in New York. ``There are too many things going in favor of the economy.''

Lehman is one of 12 firms polled that expected fed funds to fall to 3.25 or lower by year-end while 13 saw it at 3.50.

The Fed has already slashed the funds rate by a total of 2.75 percentage points in six cuts so far this year, a very aggressive pace for the conservative central bank.

The economy has barely grown for the past year as dwindling corporate profits prompted businesses to slash investments and cut jobs.

Harris said he expects the government to revise its initial estimate that second-quarter gross domestic product grew at a measly 0.7 percent annual rate down to a -0.5 percent.

``We are looking back at a second quarter that is weaker than originally thought. That means we on the border of recession in a very risky environment,'' said Harris.

``So it's easier to get a pickup in the third quarter because the second was so bad. That doesn't mean the economy is set to take off into happy land.''

TENTATIVE SIGNS OF A BOTTOM

There are a number of signs that bode for a modest pickup in U.S. growth in the current quarter.

In the April-June quarter, Americans paid high taxes on capital gains following a turbulent year in the stock market which saw big portfolio shifts. Businesses slashed inventories deeply. Energy prices spiked and the dollar strengthened.

Conversely in the third quarter, Americans are receiving some $38 billion in government tax rebates, expected to boost spending. The pace of inventory reductions is expected to slow. Energy prices saw steep declines and the dollar weakened.

In addition to the stimulus that those shifts provide, Fed rate cuts, which are generally believed to operate with a lag time of six to nine months, should start to have a bigger impact on the economy in the second half of the year.

Signals from the labor market are mixed but unemployment does not appear to be deteriorating rapidly and consumer spending is holding up at a reasonably healthy pace.

But a sluggish world economy is damping demand for U.S. exports abroad and may continue to be a drag on growth.

Investment Bank Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein said it had lowered its year-end fed funds forecast to 3.0 percent from 3.5 because of a worsening global economic outlook.

``We already had a very weak growth forecast for the United States. Why we changed our forecast was that global growth looks very weak,'' said Elisabeth Stoegmuller, assistant economist at Dresdner.

Investment Bank Goldman Sachs predicted last week the economic recovery would take longer than previously thought and Fed rate cuts could extend into next year.

Goldman revised down its growth forecast for next year to 2.0 percent from 2.5 percent which is still below what is considered the long-term potential of the economy. It expects fed funds to fall to 3.0 percent by mid-2002.

INFLATION NO OBSTACLE FOR FED

If the Fed does need to resort to deeper rate cuts, it could not have hoped for a much better inflation environment.

Inflation has been retreating as demand slows and energy prices slide. The Fed which normally raises rates to keep inflation low, might be hesitant to cut them much further if it saw a threat of rising prices.

The Consumer Price Index (news - web sites) (CPI), the main gauge of U.S. inflation saw its sharpest fall in 15 years in July, the government reported on Thursday. The CPI fell 0.3 percent and the year-over-year rate was 2.7 percent. The core rate, excluding volatile food and energy prices, rose 0.2 percent for the month and 2.7 percent compared to a year earlier.

Economists said those inflation readings give the Fed an all-clear signal to cut rates more deeply if they suspect the measures taken up until now are not having the desired effect.

``I do think if the economy doesn't respond, the Fed is going to be quite aggressive,'' said Harris.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (40356)8/17/2001 7:37:52 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 65232
 
The Greenspan Recession

by Jack Kemp

"HELP WANTED": Fed Chairman who understands stable money.

<<Thanks to deflationary monetary policy, the economy here and around the world is slipping into a deep freeze, and there is no prospect of a thaw any time soon. As George Gilder observed in the Wall Street Journal, the prices of gold and industrial staples such as steel are down more than 40 percent in four years. He wrote, "A high-tech depression is under way, driven by a long siege of deflationary monetary policy ... which has shriveled hundreds of debt-laden telecom companies and brought Internet expansion to a halt."

Larry Kudlow recently reminded me, "Alan Greenspan told Congress in 1994 that commodity market signals provide more useful and timely information than the official government data on prices, unemployment, national income and so forth."

Today, Greenspan is totally ruling out market signals, and he told me recently that he believes our current economic problems are simply "the working of the business cycle."

That is preposterous. We are in the deflationary stages of a "go-stop" money cycle created by the Fed's discretionary monetary policy. For more than three years, the Fed has ignored all its supply-side friends who insisted that the chairman's fear of "irrational exuberance" was misplaced.

We warned that it was misguided to raise interest rates with the express purpose of slowing down the economy, throwing people out of work and tanking the stock market. Once the Fed decided to try to reverse the economic slowdown it had intentionally engineered, Greenspan also ignored our warnings that targeting interest rates was starving the economy of liquidity even while interest rates were coming back down. We were right on all counts.

Greenspan

In spite of having reduced the Fed funds rate 225 basis points in only seven months, monetary policy remains too tight. The bottom of the yield curve is inverted with the interest rate on two-year federal notes lower than the overnight rate, the price of gold is no higher today than when the Fed began to lower interest rates and the dollar continues to appreciate against other major currencies. Since June, producer prices have plunged at an average annualized rate of 8.1 percent.

When economist Art Laffer wrote to Nobel Prize-winning economist Bob Mundell recently seeking his opinion on my contention that monetary policy has been deflationary and that the only way to restore monetary stability is to anchor the dollar to the price of gold, Bob responded: "When the dollar price of gold is falling at the same time that the dollar is appreciating against other major currencies that do not have inflation problems, U.S. monetary policy is too tight."

Unless the Fed abandons interest-rate targeting and adopts a commodity-price rule using gold as a reference point, the Fed will continue to put the U.S. economy and the world through a deflationary wringer until prices fully adjust downward. While the U.S. economy can survive this tortuous process, it will inflict needless torment and misery on a lot of Americans, and countries not as resilient as ours, such as Argentina, may well be crushed by the dollar deflation.

Unfortunately, the confusion caused by the Fed's interest-rate targeting is distorting the way people think about the world economy, and it is leading to a false debate between a "strong dollar vs. a weak dollar." Manufacturers feel squeezed by the deflation and attribute it to a "strong dollar." A media frenzy forces our Treasury secretary into a corner where he feels he has to defend the strong dollar lest he provoke another market debacle like 1987. But the ever-strengthening dollar is the result of deflationary monetary policy, and our policy objective should be neither a strong nor a weak dollar but rather a stable dollar.

At the end of August, second- quarter GDP growth will almost certainly be revised downward from 0.7 percent on an annual basis to close to zero or even into negative territory, and when that revision occurs, people will begin to talk about the Greenspan Recession and also to hold him responsible for the inevitable political fallout a year later if Republicans lose control of the House of Representatives, a distinct possibility if this economy does not recover soon.

I once again urge Chairman Greenspan to abandon interest-rate targeting and begin buying bonds until the signs of deflation stop flashing red. The price of gold must rise back above $300 and commodity prices must rise off their bottoms, the yield curve must reassume a normal upward slope with a reasonable spread between the Fed funds rate and the two-year bond, and the dollar must stop appreciating ever higher against foreign currencies. This wouldn't require elaborate international negotiations if the chairman would seize the opportunity today to lead the Fed toward the adoption of a commodity price rule with gold as a reference point, which would eliminate Fed discretion and introduce automaticity to the conduct of monetary policy.

If Greenspan would lead with a price rule at the Fed, the economy would quickly revive; Europe, Japan and the rest of the world would follow our lead; and history would smile upon the "Maestro" for his efforts.>>

Jack Kemp is co-director of Empower America and Distinguished Fellow of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (40356)8/17/2001 9:23:32 PM
From: Boplicity  Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 65232
 
that's because he knows the downturn is going to last a long long time.

b



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (40356)8/18/2001 8:14:28 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 65232
 
What If Housing Crashed?

Stephane Fitch and Brandon Copple, Forbes Magazine, 09.03.01

It's bad enough that the stock market's wealth effect is
disappearing. What happens to the economy if that other prop,
home equity, starts to wobble? There are ominous signs this is
about to happen.

If you need proof of the housing boom, just walk out onto your
driveway. Pick up the newspaper and read about how this vibrant
sector is propping up an otherwise teetering economy. Carpenters are
busy. Home equity lending is supporting a lot of consumption. Those
For Sale signs your neighbors are putting up could be just big
spenders wanting to cash in on the wild appreciation homeowners
have enjoyed in the past six years--40% in Atlanta, 54% in New York
City, 68% in Boston, 71% in Denver and 100% in San Francisco,
says research firm Case Shiller Weiss in Cambridge, Mass.

The general assumption seems to be: Stock prices fluctuate, but
house prices just go straight up. Could this assumption be wrong? If it
is, a large part of the economy is in danger. A burst of the housing
bubble wouldn't just hurt homeowners and people who own shares of
Fannie Mae or Toll Brothers. It could end up squeezing all Americans.
A real estate slump "could make this little recession we're having turn
into something that's quite drawn out and serious," says Yale
economist Robert Shiller.

Shiller--famed for his astute calling of the Nasdaq stock bubble in his
2000 book, Irrational Exuberance, but a long-time scholar of the real
estate markets--believes consumer confidence could take a bigger hit
from a real estate crash than from the stock market correction. It was
the boom in housing, he argues, more than the Nasdaq's 175% runup
in the 18 months leading up to March 2000, that made consumers
feel so flush and spend so freely. Go back as far as 1975 and
compare ebbs and flows in retail spending in all 50 U.S. states and 15
foreign countries, and it is clear housing markets directly affect
consumer spending, while stock market fluctuations don't, he says.

No one is talking bust--not yet, anyway. In fact, if you ignore what's
happening at the high end of the market and look only at midpriced
homes, you may be hard pressed to discern any kind of downturn,
especially in places like New York, Denver or Minneapolis, where
values are still rising. They've been going up for so long that many
people can't even recall the last housing recession of 1990-93.

Look closely, though, and you'll see the cracks starting to form. Sales
of existing homes nationwide in June were near the record pace set in
March. But sales of $1-million-plus homes, which outpaced all other
categories last year, sank 15% in the first five months of 2001. Supply
is beginning to outstrip demand. The U.S. inventory of unsold homes,
which fell steadily during the 1990s and reached a low of 1.4 million
homes last year, has spiked upward for the first time in a decade,
rising 23% since January, according to the National Realtors
Association.

Perhaps more tellingly, in muscular markets like Atlanta, Seattle,
Chicago and Washington, the pace of home sales is down 10% or
more. And it's taking a whole lot longer to find a buyer. John Hall has
been trying to sell his $370,000 downtown Chicago loft since April. He
left a good paying job on May 1 to try his hand at independent
consulting. He doesn't want the $2,700 monthly mortgage and tax
payments to suck his savings dry. He's had some tempting inquiries,
but no contract yet.

Shiller worries about an ominous mix of overdevelopment, inflated
home prices and rising consumer debt. Add two other factors that
historically have presaged a big drop in home prices--the plunge in
stocks and massive layoffs, (see chart)--and the case for a crash gets
stronger. It won't happen right away. It takes a while for people to let
go of optimism--not to mention an emotional attachment to their
home--and embrace economic reality. "They're in denial until they
take a direct hit," says Barton Smith, an economist at the University
of Houston.

The most visible sign of deterioration is in Silicon Valley. Santa Clara
County, Calif. has four months of inventory for sale, triple the levels
carried in the past three years, according to Creekside Realty in San
Jose. The market has been in the dumps since the beginning of the
year. Elizabeth and Alan Fletcher first considered putting their home
in Palo Alto up for sale in February, when houses like it had been
selling for $2 million--quite a jump from the $856,000 they paid in
1998. They hoped to reap a nice downpayment on a new
5,000-square-foot place they were building in the foothills above Los
Altos for $3.85 million.

But by the time they listed the house on April Fool's Day, an
economic earthquake had hit Silicon Valley. High-tech companies
were shedding tens of thousands of jobs, and shares of Oracle, where
Alan was a vice president, had dropped from $33 to $15 in just three
months. The Fletchers' real estate agent warned them not to list their
house for more than $1.4 million. Even at that price, the house sat for
more than a month without drawing a single offer. They lowered the
price by $100,000, then knocked off another $200,000. A buyer
offered $1 million; but then backed out. In late June they finally sold
their home for $1.04 million--down almost $1 million in just five
months. By then they had lost $250,000 in the stock market and had
to borrow $2 million for the new house.

This sort of weakness is expected in Silicon Valley, land of a million
scorched dreams. But what about other parts of the country? Just
north of Chicago, where prices have risen 24% since 1998, the tony
suburb of Lake Forest is suffering a housing correction. Douglas
Yeaman, chief executive of Prudential Preferred Properties, has 145
homes for sale priced at more than $1 million--13 months of inventory,
up threefold in two years. William Lederer, founder of Art.com, has
had his $7 million, 13-bedroom red-brick mansion listed since
January. No deal yet.