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To: Nemer who wrote (172281)	8/17/2001 2:40:33 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Respond to of 769670

RR Rector and the dessert story is Arkansian. Clinton signed the OK. Ricky had a habit of leaving his dessert for later. caller.com

To: Nemer who wrote (172281)	8/17/2001 3:27:52 PM
From: Nemer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

>>>>>> find this very interesting .... Remains from Los Angeles Landfill Fuel New Power Plant Knight Ridder/Tribune (August 17, 2001) Aug. 16--Los Angeles will flip the switch today on the largest microturbine power plant in the world lighted by gas from rotting garbage. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power is scheduled to fire 50 microturbines from waste methane gas at the Lopez Canyon Landfill. The resulting electricity will be enough to power 1,500 homes. DWP officials said this is the largest array of microturbines in the world and the first biomass project of its kind in Los Angeles. "The beauty of this new technology is you can string a number of turbines together, or use them individually," said DWP Strategic Planning Director Angelina Galetiva. "This is the future of power generation." The $4 million project, according to officials, has another major benefit: By burning gas now flared into the air, each low-emission high-tech turbine will cut 10,000 pounds of nitrogen oxide -- about 500 cars worth of pollution -- each year. If successful, the Lake View Terrace facility will serve as a gas-recycling model for up to 11 other dumps across Los Angeles that produce enough garbage gas to fuel 1,000 microturbines. "I think it's great," said Tim Carmichael, executive director of the Los-Angeles based Clean Air Coalition, who will join city, DWP and air quality officials in a public ceremony today. "We need to look at all sorts of opportunities to generate power with limited-to-zero air pollution. Landfills supply lost gas to the air and more and more utilities are seeing the light." In building a biomass generating system, the DWP follows the lead of Burbank, which last month launched the nation's first microturbine power plant to harness methane gas produced by decomposing rubbish. Funds to build the Lopez Canyon project come from a DWP commitment with regional air quality regulators to spend $14 million on clean-air projects in exchange for the right to exceed state air pollution limits while producing power for California's tight energy market. The DWP has yet to surpass those limits, officials say. "This project is an example of how we as regulators are able to balance air quality requirements with economic needs during challenging times," William Burks, chairman of the South Coast Air Quality Management District, said in a statement. The 400-acre Lopez Canyon dump, closed early in 1996 because of pressure from the community, is now a covered glade favored by coyotes, bobcats and other wildlife. But underneath its vegetative cap lies 16 million tons of rotting fish heads, apple cores and other commercial and household garbage that spews 6,500 cubic feet of methane each minute, Los Angeles sanitation officials say. Half that gas now powers a 6-megawatt generator owned by a Minnesota company that sells power for Southern California Edison Co. Until today, the other half was simply burned, its leftover contaminants contributing to local smog. The other half is available for biomass energy production, of which 15 percent will be initially used to light people's homes. When the Lopez Canyon dump runs out of gas in 30 to 40 years, the microturbines can simply be moved to another site, DWP officials say. It's the hottest clean-air technology, said Doug Walters, Lopez Canyon site engineer for the Los Angeles Department of Sanitation. "Microturbines are (even) being considered by community colleges in Los Angeles." The DWP microturbines, developed by Capstone Turbine Corp. in Chatsworth, are mostly used to power buildings, energy-efficient vehicles and oil rigs. They run on a variety of liquid and gas fuels and produce about one-tenth of the NOx pollution as burning methane.

To: Nemer who wrote (172281)	8/22/2001 10:31:48 AM
From: H-Man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Well I don’t know what the Pew leanings are either. But looking at the site, there is a bias that leaps off the page at me. It labels staunch republicans as anti this and anti that. When one looks at the democratic side, it is devoid of the same language. If one end of the spectrum can be called anti-environment, then the other end can fairly be called anti-business or anti-property rights. It also labels staunch republicans as extremely partisan. And a Liberal Democrat is not? That is laughably absurd. And I would object to the use of the ‘anti’ label regardless. In the modern lexicon, anti means hate, proactive action against, discrimination etc. Take as an example anti-environment. Placing that label on a staunch republican grossly mis-characterizes the position. The staunch republican position on the environment can be accurately described as a backlash against the environmental extremist’s environment uber ales position, which completely disregards human concern and property rights. You won’t find a republican of any stripe that is for dirty air and dirty water, (although that is what the left wants the public to believe). And when was the last time you have seen a republican protesting at a gay rights gathering or a Green Peace meeting ? You may see some protesters at an abortion clinic, but they are primarily there on religious grounds. Besides, the reality is that almost 40% of democrats are pro-life. On the other hand, what party do you think the protestors at GATT or WTO are more likely to be affiliated with? Yes there are extremists on both sides of any issue. But republicans would no more associate themselves with Tim McVeigh than Democrats would associate themselves with Ted Kaczynski. And to get to the heart of the question… Although positions vary widely on issues, the compromise on stem cell research by President Bush is revealing. Although I suspect some grumbling from one or two on the right, there was general support. The left on the other hand, had a cyber hissy fit.