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To: GraceZ who wrote (7336)8/17/2001 3:13:54 PM
From: Mark Adams  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
I was speaking with my brother about the error of 'hoarding wealth', but I had to correct myself. Even wealth sitting in the bank, at 4.75%, is being loaned out (and hopefully used productively) by good folk such as those at Juniper to create jobs and new products.

Interesting, that while the market is down nearly 175 points, my focus remains on the US dollar (and just why is N up 4.21%? In spite of the poor market conditions and fundamental concerns about the global future?)

"The euro is being dragged up by default"
globalarchive.ft.com



To: GraceZ who wrote (7336)8/17/2001 4:10:18 PM
From: LLCF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
You forgot "REAL ESTATE"

DAK



To: GraceZ who wrote (7336)8/21/2001 10:56:40 AM
From: Ilaine  Respond to of 74559
 
Congrats to Grace for Cool Post of the Day!

Are we cool or what?;^)



To: GraceZ who wrote (7336)12/19/2002 8:12:57 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
Hello Grace, <<...Real wealth isn't money or gold sitting in a bank vault ... Americans would rather go broke following a dream then get rich sitting on their money in the bank>>

Once again, I say
Message 16227919

August 17th, 2001
... Treating Euro and Swiss Franc as investments, I then have just placed the most rapid, deliberate, potentially dangerous, and concentrated bets, easily more substantial and consequential than my one time often mentioned speculation on the Softbank’s promise, or in fact, any other investment bar real estates.

... Re-using an old analogy, the music quickens, volume starts to hurt, candles flickering, and ceiling of the treasure-filled tomb is beginning to descend, grinding against the walls. The gate to the tomb is squeezing shut my exit to nirvana.

... I believe Grace’s comment requires some additional clarifications, amendments, and possibly modifications …
Message 16226051
<<Real wealth isn't money or gold sitting in a bank vault ... real value comes from what you build with your money>>
… or maybe, more correctly, real wealth is idle money and gold sitting in a bank vault, and real value comes from what you do with the idle real wealth. This revised explanation may seem a small variation, but important, as you will see later.

<< ... Juniper's revenue growth and you'll see that they went from zero to almost 700,000 million a year in revenue in nine quarters>>

… but transfused in large part with previously real and Greenspan’s fiat imaginary wealth, in the form of venture capital and build-out debt, and zoomvroom, gone in 60 months, just as quickly.

<<… Show me a time in history where that kind of revenue growth was possible>>

The gossamer-like tech companies are quickly disgorging just about all of their alleged shimmering profit supposedly accumulated over the past five solid years. Give them a little more time, and all will be revealed, as ugly entrails pour forth on to the pavement from opened bellies facing the light of the warm sun.

At the frenzied peak, single tulips were rumored to be valued at levels for working farms and perfectly grand mansions, and thus, summing across all tulips and pro-forma descendent of tulips, applying any reasonably unsuitable and imaginatively low discount rate, would impute a economic value of the entire plausible tulip market on par with whole economies on the cusp of exploring new horizons.
And do not even get me started on the admittedly more useful but equally absurd and actual historic transacted values of railroads, canals, and General Electric manufactured diamonds.

<< ... Americans would rather go broke following a dream then get rich sitting on their money in the bank because wealth only has value when you do something with it>>

I would imagine the ever lovable Average American J6P, especially the politically incorrect faction of the branch of Boobus Americanus with who I identify with, a term stolen from www.dailyreckoning.com, would much prefer to adopt my fantastic vision of wealth … idly meandering amongst coconut palms, fringing a blue lagoon, dotted with thatch-roofed huts cooled by antique electric fans, summer all year round, connected by broadband and satellite com, and simply complemented with oodles and boodles of Caterina, Jade, Veronique, Ursula, Jasmine, Etsuko, Suzie, India, all frolicking in an ambient temperature and gently surfing water, swaying to the undulating beat of "do that to me again and again", with Gretchen and Gloria back at the open-air kitchen preparing sandwiches and mixed drinks, and Alexus carefully filtering home-made beer through an ice filter held up by Kiki, standing next to Kimiko, searing some Kobe beef on the grill.

Did I leave anything or anyone out by inattention to detail?

What do you think? Oops, that’s right, I forgot, you like the enterprise of busily treading QCOM New Economy scripts.
Grace believes real wealth is busy money, wildly flopping in the equity sea, not for a moment considering the possibility that true wealth is instead idle comfortable self-indulgent lazy unkempt piggish heft, soaking in a protected primordial lagoon, surrounded by beauty and adored by youth, rapping with buddies of equivalent disposition and complementary temperament.

As such, any one aiming for true wealth must act to panic, panic first, run fastest, jumping over others, before the already licking flame engulfs all within the Temple of Greenspan.

<< ... Not only that, you can create more wealth at a far higher rate even when you consider that there will from time to time be the kind of crisis of confidence and it's attendant collapse of prices we are seeing now.>>

… Now, here, Grace is talking and brightly lighting up the den, not about what has occurred but what is about to seize the state of perceived reality.

Now, Maurice, bravo on your perception that I am in a panic, and this item did not help to calm me down …
Message 16224512


Chugs, Jay



To: GraceZ who wrote (7336)12/20/2002 4:17:40 AM
From: LLCF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
<<<<Real wealth, real value comes from what you build with your money. >>

You really have to do some soul searching on this one Grace. You're saying someone building Juniper is 'worth more' than someone who put their nest egg in the vault so they could retire early & move to the inner city to work with the needy.

Now, me I'd call that 'doing something with it'... luckily he didn't put it in JNPR stock:

finance.yahoo.com

DAK



To: GraceZ who wrote (7336)12/20/2002 5:23:59 AM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
<>sitting in a bank vault>> When you put money in a bank, it doesn't "seat" there. It is used by someone else to use it productively. Well, that is the official script. If I put money say in Brazilian bank -which the governments want me to do, by jacking up interest rates to 25%- the money is spent paying the pension and salaries of redundant civil servants of which, Argentina had 400.000 of them and that's why it went kaput.

Most money nowadays are going to such purposes. That because governments are not being deflated. Loaning money to governments, is the most wasteful think one can do!!
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