SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Strategies & Market Trends : The Covered Calls for Dummies Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (2105)8/19/2001 4:16:18 AM
From: Uncle Frank  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5205
 
>> the thing i don't like about covered calls, in the context of certain nonexistent, hypothetical investors who think they're diversifying their portfolio by, for example, adding a storage "gorilla" and a back-office software "gorilla" to their wireless "gorilla" (with a portfolio weighting of 33% each!), is that CCs can get people thinking bassackwards about what "conservative investing" means.

I think you're really addressing portfolio allocation rather than covered calls. The former is of paramount importance, while the latter is merely an opportunistic method for generating revenue during a choppy market.

>> i would sell ATM (where premia are best) and i would ALWAYS let myself get called out when the underlying trades above the strike.

Good recommendations for buy-write practitioners, but you don't address the interests of those who are writing against highly appreciated long term core holdings.

>> that is not to say one couldn't sell covered calls and be prudent at the same time. but i think the policy horse needs to lead the tactical cart (CCs).

Agreed. That's my biggest objection to buy-write, where the selection process tends to focus on premium potential rather than the underlying equities.

uf



To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (2105)8/19/2001 8:05:24 AM
From: alanrs  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5205
 
"the thing i don't like about covered calls, in the context of certain nonexistent, hypothetical investors who think they're diversifying their portfolio by, for example, adding a storage "gorilla" and a back-office software "gorilla" to their wireless "gorilla" (with a portfolio weighting of 33% each!)"

I don't know about everyone here, but my guess is that most are far more diversified than the posts might lead one to believe. In my own case, my stock portfolio is heavily weighted toward tech-about 70% in about 20 companies-but is only roughly 40% of my half vast empire. It's boring talking about CD's and GIC's and REITS, and one can't incorporate them into any option strategy. Others have pointed out the value of learning how a limited universe of stocks and their associated options behave and sticking to them. Tech stocks, being volatile, are potentially well suited to this.

"in my opinion, a covered call should not be written unless one is willing to be called out."

In general, I agree with this and the points you made in this regard, especially the repair strategies part. There are specific circumstances where this may not apply though, as I believe Frank rightly pointed out.

"call premia have come down quite a bit anyway"

I've definitely noticed this and am looking for different ways (spreads, straddles, selling puts) to approach all this. Like everything else, it's a process, and learning takes time. Also, what works today may not work tomorrow.

ARS



To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (2105)8/19/2001 10:36:49 AM
From: Mike Buckley  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5205
 
CCs can get people thinking bassackwards about what "conservative investing" means.

CCs don't get people thinking bassackwards. People do a good enough job of that on their own that they don't need any help. If writing covered calls is problematic because it requires discipline and understanding, is that really different from other forms of investing and speculating?

--Mike Buckley