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To: Dan3 who wrote (142000)	8/20/2001 11:01:33 AM
From: Windsock	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Blow Hard Dan the Lawyer Man - Re:"SPEC is meaningless. SPEC requires algorithms with known easily fixed flaws" I thought you liked those legacy benchmarks that ran well on the old technology of the Athlon? AMD - only 600 MHz behind

To: Dan3 who wrote (142000)	8/20/2001 11:13:08 AM
From: wanna_bmw	Respond to of 186894

Dan, Re: "Which makes that SPEC suite a test of whose compiler can best spot and substitute out the known "booby traps" in the SPEC code rather than a measure of processor or system performnace." And AMD uses Intel's compiler in the SPEC benchmarks. Logic should tell you that AMD would then be avoiding the same booby-traps. None-the-less, the compiler was built for optimizing around the Pentium 4, so I would expect the Pentium 4 to win. You can expect the same for other applications as Intel's compiler gets more finely tuned. wanna_bmw

To: Dan3 who wrote (142000)	8/20/2001 1:53:17 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Blow Hard Dan - Micron PC dumps AMD !!! theregister.co.uk MicronPC cuts back on AMD - in public By Drew Cullen Posted: 20/08/2001 at 14:12 GMT MicronPC is to stop selling AMD-powered machines to small and medium businesses and to government. The company - America's third biggest direct sales PC maker - says the decision to sell Intel-only into these sectors will "streamline our product line, simplifying our customers' buying decisions and reducing our engineering and product development costs". But what does this mean in practice? AMD says the press release pumped out by Micron "re-affirms the status quo". Micron does not use AMD chips in its commercial or government product lines - and has never used AMD chips in these lines, AMD points out. But check out the MicronPC.com Web site and you will see that yes indeed the Micron does sell an AMD-powered machine - the Millennia MAX XP2- into the commercial sector. Yes, AMD concedes, this machine is sold into smallish businesses, but the spec is very retail-oriented, it says. And in an email sent to The Register, Michelle Casey, MicronPC's PR director, writes: "While we have chosen to use Intel for our government and business class computers, we continue to have a good relationship with AMD, and will continue to use both AMD and Intel processers for our consumer and SOHO computer platform -- the Millennia line". So what is going on here? Today's press release from Micron in effect announces only that the PC maker is dropping the Millennia MAX XP2 as a commercial SKU. We can guess only that Micron has made Intel a very happy bunny. How much discount-gouging is such a public declaration of fealty worth? Micron was an Intel-only OEM until September 2000, when it dipped its toe into the consumer sector with some AMD systems promoted through Best Buy retail outlets. Last month, Tiny Computers, the UK's fourth biggest PC maker, ditched AMD completely. It too began selling AMD systems for the first time in September last year. And this month, IBM dropped AMD from its US and European build-to-order lines.

To: Dan3 who wrote (142000)	8/20/2001 5:10:26 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Danny Boy - Another Server Design Win for Intel !!! "Penguin Computing Inc., the first company that is "Simplifying the Solution Process" by removing the complexity involved in developing and deploying fully customized, Linux-based solutions, today announced three additions to its Relion line of servers, each incorporating the latest generation of Intel Pentium III processors. " newsalert.com August 20, 2001 12:00 Penguin Computing Introduces New Relion Rackmount Servers; Company Offers Systems Coupled With Latest Processor Technology, Support, and Professional Services SAN FRANCISCO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 20, 2001--Penguin Computing Inc., the first company that is "Simplifying the Solution Process" by removing the complexity involved in developing and deploying fully customized, Linux-based solutions, today announced three additions to its Relion line of servers, each incorporating the latest generation of Intel Pentium III processors. "Our new core platforms have been engineered not only for performance and cost-effectiveness, but also for flexibility and extensibility," said Scott Weinbrandt, vice president of sales and marketing for Penguin Computing. "For Penguin Computing, these platforms are the first step in building highly customized solutions for customers, and they can be easily integrated into demanding and varied environments." Penguin Computing's new servers are the Relion 105, Relion 225, and Relion 405. --The Relion 105 is an ideal general purpose server, built for such tasks as network monitoring and virtual private networking. The rack-dense 1U Relion 105 includes integrated dual 10/100 NICs, supports up to 1.13 GHz+ processors with a 133MHz front side bus, and allows for dual ATA-100 IDE drives. --The Relion 225 is an optimal application server, providing both availability and scalability in a rack-dense 2U form factor. It includes integrated dual 10/100 NICs, supports up to 1.26 GHz+ processors with a 133MHz front side bus, and allows for up to six hot-swappable 15K SCSI drives. --The Relion 405 is designed for optimal throughput and expansion, making it an ideal gateway and authentication server. The 4U Relion 405 includes an integrated 10/100 NIC, integrated dual channel SCSI, supports up to 1.26 GHz+ processors, and allows for up to six 5.25" bays. In addition, Penguin Computing is offering a variety of comprehensive support options, professional services, and in-depth customization capabilities via its STS technologies. Complete technical specifications and pricing on the new Relion models, including professional services and support, are available at www.penguincomputing.com. About Penguin Computing Penguin Computing Inc. (http://www.penguincomputing.com) is the first company that is Simplifying the Solution (STS) process by removing the complexity involved in developing and deploying fully-customized, Linux-based solutions. Founded in 1998 by Open Source advocate Sam Ockman, Penguin Computing is based in San Francisco and is privately held. IDC predicts that the market for Linux servers will reach 1.9 million units by 2004, which Penguin Computing estimates to be equivalent to $5.7 billion. Penguin Computing pursues this emerging market by delivering fully integrated infrastructure solutions, professional services and support through cutting edge customization capabilities. CONTACT: Penguin Computing Inc., San Francisco Menekse Gencer, 415/358-2600 mgencer@penguincomputing.com