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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (23636)	8/24/2001 4:32:15 AM
From: Solon	Respond to of 82486

Twofowler, you are wounding your feelings unnecessarily. I described my post to you as a summary of my views. You chose to personalize it. I am disappointed that you misunderstood it. They do they contain within themselves human potential WRONG. A sperm is a potential child. It is at a primitive stage of development and needs to attach to an egg and to receive appropriate nutrients, etc--but all developmental processes require something. Human persons do not just POP into existence. Zygotes don't just POP into existence. Everything in life flows from a condition. Substance takes many forms in unfathomable configurations. If you choose to value substance at only a pafrticular stage or state of biochemical form and function--then you are certainly making my point. The other possibility is that you are incapable of comprehending existence as a continuum of change, but must believe in the superiority of such stages as human ego. If that is the case, then let us not belabor the point. You can look up "potential" in the dictionary. If you think that any stage of the continuum of change is unconditional to the preceding stage, well--this is your right. I am done with sprinkling Holy water on your eyes. In vitro fertilization normally results in a greater number of embryos either dying on their own or being deliberately destroyed then does normal fertilization. Assuming that is true...will you desist from intercourse as a means of producing babies at such time as in vitro becomes safer and poses a lesser risk, than an "Act of God", of killing what you have claimed to value as a human person--with basic human rights??? I do would not presume to tell everyone what you are feeling, because there is no way I can know this. Please do me the same courtesy. Here again, you were personalizing my statements. If my reference is in the plural rather than to "you" or to "your name"--you may rest assured that it is intentional. Again you try to psychoanalyze your opposition from a distance. I can not speak for others but I can tell you that my concern is genuine, perhaps not love because I don't claim to be able to love those that I don't know, but lack of a feeling of love does not prevent one from being legitimately concerned about the rights of others. If I thought your rights were being abused or infringed on I would support your rights but I don't claim to love you. This section of you post is cheap, petty, unsupported, untrue and unnecessary. Your argument stands or falls fine without it. It contributes nothing to your case rather it is just a slap at those that you disagree with. You did it again. "they" is about others. You said you could not speak for them then proceeded to do so using yourself as a proxy. My comment was not about "you". The world is not necessarily about you. My comment applied to millions of people. I am very glad it does not apply to "YOU". Irrelevant. Whatever reasons the Catholic Church might have for its policies, I am not the Catholic Church and the church is not defending itself here. I have not argued against contraception, and contraception being wrong or right does not affect the moral status of abortion. AGAIN, GREG: My summary of my beliefs on abortion is not about YOU. I presented my ideas in such a way as to make that clear. When I am talking about the Catholic Church, for instance, it has NOTHING to do with YOU. If you wish to challenge my opinion about the church, please do so. But please don't get your knickers in a knot, and please don't tell that when I summarize my views on the abortion issue, that my statements of belief are irrelevent. By simple logic, they cannot be. I purported to share my opinions. The opinions I shared were mine. Irrelevent? I don't think so. Please don't try to get this bogged down again with a bunch of silliness. I don't want you personalizing everything I say. It is not right; it is not mature.