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To: grusum who wrote (75358)	8/21/2001 5:59:43 AM
From: d:oug	Respond to of 116762

Off Topic (or) EC<:-} "... is there anything you[Chatters or ChatterBox] don't know???" Did you know that eChatters has an e-book out ? title = "You don't want to know, but i'm gonna tell you anyway." "... I really enjoyed how well you explained the problem." Seems that folks have many problems, that were not problems, until Chatters helps us understand. Maybe whoever said "What you don't know will not hurt you." was a reference to those prior on the Chatter's ancestry tree. Has Chatters and ChucaMarshmeow ever posted to each other? d:o)g

To: grusum who wrote (75358)	8/21/2001 7:49:06 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116762

In school I was known as the person with 1001 useless facts. -- Partially to D.AK's skeptical scornful one-upmanship --> I know nothing. I can guess close at anything. I could be wrong depending on how close I have to be for what purpose is chosen. Nobody will ever know the "what". They can know "how" sort-of. Which is the comparative how. (scientific model, or conventional thinking or reverse model) Why is useless. It degenerates to why not. Who is you. When is approximate and that is a question too. Where is relative. To say one (other) knows not or does not know something is to say that the judge is the knower. This is as dangerous as the opinion you would denigrate, either for its correctness or its assumptiveness. In fact I could know everything. On the other hand D.ak could know everything. Saying the other does not know everything is dangerous. How do you know, if you do not know everything? Saying the other does not know anything is safer. I could be wrong, but with the limited amount most people know and the percentage they are wrong I will stick with that. Even if they are right once in a while, it is only by accident and cancels out. D.ak's semi-playful barbs have mixed motives no doubt. I try to stay to reason not ad hominem although considering the source is perhaps a good argument for establishing the veracity of reports of phenomenon. Aliens are aware of this widely accepted principle and always choose to reveal themselves to single toothed rural labourers who have a grade 3 education and are their cousin's brother. I may look up anything and criticize its accuracy by principle. Speed traps of the layout type have a problem with hills, curves and measurement. Their techniques are universally bad. Radar errors are between one and 3 percent and their calibration is iffy often. As well, the law assumes that tire sizes and speedometer accuracy must agree. Speedodometers are often out 6 percent. Tire size changes can through another 8 per cent. It is quite possible for a radar under certain conditions to disagree with the speedometer of a vehicle with large tires to 10.2 miles an hour or more at 60. (3%_radar + 6%_speedo +8%_tire) Add a police car with a moving radar with small tires and you could get an error of 18.6 miles per hour. It would be rare but it is possible. Surveying is a much underestimated job. It is fairly difficult and very enervating to be quick, accurate, and cheap. This is especially since you have to work with other's data, that is perhaps none of the above, nor complete or legible. It takes time to find all of that out. This means that accurate and cheap is out of the question and quick means you have to lie. Generally you can pick any two of the 3 except accurate and cheap. Quick and accurate may not be achieveable at any price and anyway generally takes longer. The only way you get accurate and cheap is if you through out precision and fudge. EC<:-}