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To: epicure who wrote (441)	8/21/2001 10:57:08 AM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 51716

Somewhat oddly, the Times picks up a related story with a local angle. The decline of the prison industrial complex doesn't seem like something worth lamenting, but there you go. A Growth Industry Cools as New York Prisons Thin nytimes.com Groups that criticized explosive prison growth in the past are using the slowdown to again call for change. Jennifer Wynn, director of the Prison Visiting Project for the Correctional Association of New York, questioned the wisdom of making prisons such a large economic force in upstate New York. "Since 1982, New York has opened 38 new prisons, every one of them in a rural upstate community that relies on prisoners — mostly poor people of color from New York City — to fuel the local economy," she said. "Maybe it's time to invest in more positive and sustainable industries than warehousing people."

To: epicure who wrote (441)	8/21/2001 10:59:37 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 51716

From the ALL X, ALL the TIME station I have been sent the following: Message 16238817 Dear E For your viewing pleasure let me point out that not believing in ABSOLUTES, or liking people who do, does not preclude me (a relativist) from loving my own sense of truth, human values and principles. I believe in truth- although I think you have proved just how RELATIVE and illusive truth can be on the boxing thread. I know what my words say, and yet there are people willing to post for 3 days to argue they mean something OTHER than what I understand them to mean. WOW!!! Could truth be any more relative? I think you come close to understanding what I meant- but not even you understand me perfectly- how could you? How could I understand you perfectly? It should be obvious by now that truth and words are relative, but some people will remain convinced theirs is the only interpretation. FWIW your interpretation of my words is the only one I can understand- since OVER and OVER and OVER again I've mentioned how I detest lying, and hypocrisy, and cruelty - etc. MY human values/principles (which I might add I have great respect for). How Brees could have arrived where he did is a mystery to me E. But he and his friends are convinced they got there. Let us take that as ample proof of relativism and consider the thing DONE.