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To: milo_morai who wrote (51935)	8/21/2001 6:42:59 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Milo, Re: "Using the default voltage I overclocked the Morgan to 1.2GHz with the 240MHz FSB. My next try was 1.3GHz, but it would not post. I'm sure I could have gotten higher with a boost in voltage, but I'm quite pleased with the easy 20% overclock." You do realize that by the same token, this means that Morgan can just barely reach the level that the Athlon MP has been at for months, despite being based off of the same core. It's interesting that manufacturing equipment in Austin has at least a 15% disadvantage over manufacturing equipment in Dresden. wanna_bmw

To: milo_morai who wrote (51935)	8/21/2001 7:32:57 PM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Milo: So climb down off your high horse. High horse? Get out on the wrong side of bed this morning? These aren't FACTS'. BULL SHT! You haven't pointed out one single ERROR in my FACTS. You attempt to EXPLAIN AWAY the facts - and you explanations may well be fully accurate, but that doesn't change squat. The facts are just that, facts. And that was what YOU requested. YOU may feel that all these FACTS can be EXPLAINED AWAY, but that doesn't change that others disagree and don't think that is the case. What I presented was a simple list of FACTUAL OBSERVATIONS. What CONCLUSIONS can be based upon these FACTS is, indeed, open to discussion. I did forget one fact: - Palomino was delayed for MONTHS! The simple truth is that many people believe Palomino and Morgan to be scaling poorly for these reasons. If you do not believe their conclusions, why not debate them instead of making half-ssed attacks on a poor, simple LIST of FACTS that you have done NOTHING to dispute. -fyo