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To: milo_morai who wrote (51947)	8/21/2001 8:17:14 PM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 275872

Milo: I did prove your overclocking statement was crap. No! You PROVED my overclocking statement!!!! ROFL! Here's my list again: #1: Fact: Morgan is based on Palomino. #2: Fact: Palomino is available only up to 1.2GHz. #3: Fact: Palomino has not replaced Thunderbid, despite performing significantly better (faster & cooler per MHz). #4: Fact: Overclocking attempts with Palomino have come in significantly below overclocking attempts with Thunderbird. Which one of these FACTS do you dispute, Milo? You claimed to have disproved #4, but in fact you did just the opposite. I claimed that overclocking results with Palomino have not been as successful as with Thunderbird. Your example is a fine demonstration of that (some guy not being able to overclock his 1GHz Paly above 1.2GHz - when virtually all 1GHz Tbirds are overclockable way beyond that). You go on to contradict yourself: Overclocking attempts on the 1st stepping of MP being lower should come to no surprise. I.e. you just admitted that #4 was correct, you just EXPLAINED it AWAY. I'm not saying that there isn't a perfectly good reason for these initial Palomino overclocking results being poor. Not at all! I'm simply saying that they are not as good as with Thunderbird. Again, you can argue that some people draw the WRONG conclusions based upon the FACTS, but you have done nothing to show that ANY of the FACTS are incorrect. You may feel that no real conclusions can be drawn at all from the facts. So be it. I couldn't care. With that said, show me the proof beyond any doubt. No! That's NOT what you said. Let me repeat YOUR COMMENT for you: What is your basis that Morgan doesn't scale well? Facts please, no WAG. This is NOT the same as PROOF that Morgan doesn't scale well. NOT AT ALL. You asked for the FACTS people BASE their CONCLUSION that Morgan doesn't scale well on and you got them. Simple as that. Dispute the CONCLUSION, not the FACTS. It's so much easier ;-) -fyo