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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Solon who wrote (23947)8/22/2001 12:19:36 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
I wish I had the time to engage in this discussion further, but it will take a lot more discussion, and I just don't have that kind of time this week, with a trial coming up. It's an area I have thought a lot about, as lawyer who does some criminal representation. Your views are not new to me, though you do express them better than many I have discussed this with.

Let me leave you with this thought. Since I first got invovlved in the civil rights movement starting in the late 1950s my goal has been clear and unchanging: to create a society where a person's race, or sex, or other immutable chacteristics, were irrelevant to their civil rights. I have mentioned before the slogan of the peace movement "there is no way to peace; peace IS the way." I believe the same is true of racial and sexual equality. There is no way to equality; equality IS the way. That's why, concerning for example affirmative action, although I support programs which give benefits to people based on their economic situation, support programs that, for example, guarantee college entrance to the top 10% of every graduating class, or otherwise give benefits that are situationally based, even where their impact may be to benefit members of one race or sex more than another (as long as they aren't pretextual), I have always and adamantly opposed any programs which give benefits or detriments to persons because of their skin color or sex. IMO, you don't create a color blind society by having the government focus on color as a basis for special rights or detriments.

I know there is disagreement about this approach. But it is mine.

What does this have to do with hate crimes? I feel the same way about hate crimes. The government should be unconcerned, when it comes to punish a person, with any role race may have played in the crime. If a white man kills a black man, or a black man kills a white man, or any combination of race, sex, etc., what should be looked at is the crime, not the race or sex of the victim or pepetrators. The exceptions I had spoken of, such as acting in self-defense, are situational. They don't depend on race, sex, etc.

If hate were made a universal standard of punishment enhancement, so that if a wife killed her husband she would get a higher sentence if she hated him than if she did it for greed, to collect his life insurance say, then I might look afresh at this. But as long as the definition of hate crime depends on the race, sex, or other characteristics of the victim and not solely on the acts and motives of the perpetrator, I'm against it because it is another move away from the society of true equality toward which I have striven my entire life.

This is much longer than I had expected, or had time for. Sorry for that, and sorry I won't have the time to respond promptly and comprehensively if you have counter arguments.