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To: Uncle Frank who wrote (103181)	8/22/2001 6:37:50 PM
From: califjk	Respond to of 152472

Cien gets the kiss of death. Hows that for doom..jk

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (103181)	8/22/2001 6:50:31 PM
From: califjk	Respond to of 152472

You are better off buying a power ball ticket than stocks..jk

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (103181)	8/22/2001 6:57:21 PM
From: califjk	Respond to of 152472

The only ipo that would never go down is INnOUT BURGERS..jk

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (103181)	8/22/2001 7:09:36 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

UF, <I'd go a step further and say that they have lost faith in the country as well.> As you know, I'm quite happy to point out the grotesque warts all over the USA. For example, whenever I see a photo of George Bush expressing himself, I am strongly reminded of a chimpanzee. For all his warts, Bill Clinton seemed to do extremely well. I can see how people would lose confidence with GeorgeW as Alpha Male. He really is no comparison with Bill. Bill did some pretty vital things, such as getting Mexico financially on track with a $50bn loan. He went along with Uncle Al on the deficit reductions. He could jolly them along in China, Russia etc. Bill seemed to be right on top of everything [including the interns, who were volunteers we should keep in mind]. He had that X-factor. Like any country I can think of, the USA is covered in warts. BUT. The place is like a monstrous juggernaut. USS Enterprise is huge. It is not something to have faith in or not. It simply is. It is like the moon circling the earth. There might be the odd eclipse or even slight gravitational influences. But it has got huge momentum. However, as with all things human, the momentum is an illusion. Share prices don't have momentum. Countries and share prices are functions of human minds. It takes half a second for humans to go from blase confidence to quivering fear and fast running. But something has to happen for that to happen. For the USA to go off course, it would have to be something pretty big deal. The USA has too many stabilizers, too much infrastructure, capital, population, military, judicial and political strength to be knocked off orbit. It is to some extent like a mindless beast, which perversely gives it strength. I'm betting on the USA [more accurately, Q!, backed by the USA]. But, I hover near the exit and live somewhere else. Oddly, the greatest weakness of the USA is that Americans think they have the greatest country on earth - which, in many respects is true. But, like the Pharoahs, Romans, British and the Japanese, they will be humbled as hubris works its inevitable course. Mqurice

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (103181)	8/22/2001 9:18:03 PM
From: marginmike	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

There are alot who havnt. Discrediting guys like Old dirty bastard, Patron, Myself, LG, AA by comparing us to luke is like comparing you to voltaire. There are alot of people who made the adjustement at the right time, a litlle early or late. We have lost alot of faith in the country it is true.

To: Uncle Frank who wrote (103181)	8/22/2001 10:49:24 PM
From: limtex	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

UF - I think anyone who buys a put option is in a way a short. I guess my problem isn't wit hshroting as such but it certainly is with the kind of comments on the CFZ thread. I think that the apparent pleasure these people display at others suffering is simply disgusting. Some of thise guys are bright and I think they made very good reading but it comes served up with some of the most unpleasant comments I have seen on SI. They downgrade themselves with this kind of behaviour. They actually show glee on days when their fellow citizens are hurting. That is sick. Nothing to do with losing faith in the Country. Best regards, L