To: jlallen who wrote (24137 ) 8/22/2001 10:20:12 PM From: Lane3 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 That's a bit more disturbing to be truthful. I just thought that you were disturbed because I had misinterpreted something. If so, if you explained it to me, I could correct my misinterpretation. Perhaps I don't understand why you were disturbed by my post.that these concepts do not vary that much and are not unique to individuals, in essence that these are issues which must be resolved by a reference to factors larger than ourselves as individuals I agree with that.there are certain boundaries or lines which should not be crossed for the good of family or friends or all on the planet And I agree with that, too.the type of people who are inclined to see things in the world as more in black and white tones, I think the discrepancy is here. I grew up getting my knuckles smacked with a ruler by nuns. I was always asking why. I made a living as a system designer, whose main job is to challenge people who say "we've always done it that way." I question everything. Everything. Much of what is considered traditional values stands up to that questioning. But a lot of it doesn't. Some people are opposed to that questioning because they're wedded to what they accept on faith. Some people are opposed to that questioning because it violates tradition. I think we should have as values those that are smart in this time and place, not what some old book says or what some old people say or what the voices one hears in one's head say. Society collaborates to pick as virtues that which helps the society succeed. You and I contribute to that collaboration. Another society in another place or another time could have different virtues. Therefore, virtues aren't absolute. Others say they are given to us by God or hard wired into us or wafting along in the cosmos, universal and indelible. I don't buy that. By Neo's definition, that makes me an OP. Karen