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To: Rambi who wrote (544)	8/23/2001 11:44:19 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 51714

I am a little hurt you don't find me as fascinating as I like to think I am. Or at least you don't find your own idea of me as fascinating as I think I am. And I am SHOCKED you don't find me a fitting subject for 1000's of posts- I think it would take many, many more than that to really do me justice. But I forgive you. Kiss kiss I think people find it necessary to be nasty about threads where people talk about their children and books because they feel excluded. And I can understand that. People are excluded from here. For good reasons (imo) but still, they are excluded. I can't understand caring about being excluded from a place where people exclude you- but it must have something to do with wanting to be a member of a club that doesn't want you. I never really understood that. I only ever wanted to be a member of a club that wanted me as a member. I LIKE that. I always felt that way about feelies. Of course we had an unusual group of women there. I think often of Janice and her ratlings. And her small appliances. Sigh. I think the problem here is, very basically, that in 3d you don't crash into the party the people down the street are having. And you especially don't barge in and argue off the wall. These are sort of like living rooms. And arguing can be fun, if you are doing it with people who you understand. You have a relationship, you know how not to let the argument get our of hand. You know how to keep it a friendly argument, in other words. Not that THAT always worked :-) But on SI sometimes you meet people you cannot understand. Or you understand them only too well and they are everything you disapprove of. Or they are something in the middle, something that doesn't mix well with you. And when you try to have a conversation, it goes places you never dreamed. It can be a surreal experience. I found watching some of the conversation on the boxing thread as good as a Luis Bunuel film. As long as I didn't need to participate, it made good theater. Do you remember how people used to join feelings? People used to introduce themselves. They'd jump in slowly. Now everyone is comfortable hopping from thread to thread, leaping in and getting very personal, with no introduction. I am sure that is part of the change from 3d manners to net customs (I won't all them manners). Interesting post Rambi. I will think about it some more. edit: I forgot- KISS KISS again

To: Rambi who wrote (544)	8/23/2001 2:06:51 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 51714

I thought about your post as I stood in line with my daughter to pick up her PE clothes. And I thought about your post while I stood in line to get my daughter's schedule for next year. And I thought about your post while I stood in the year book line, and the organizer line, and the emergency data card line, and the PTA volunteer line. Gosh I am glad to be home. In 3d we would never expect everyone to get along. There are people we just don't like. And some of those people just don't like us right back. And then there are the truly annoying people who SAY they like you, but act just like the people who don't. WELL, what can you say about that? I think they are the most irritating people of all- but that's me. In 3d we don't make the effort to mix with these people who don't "click:" with us, over and over and over again. Do you get the feeling that some of the problem on SI may be that simple? Of course that doesn't explain people who continue to argue with or talk about people who are not around. Although I suppose that can be explained by obsessive antipathy. Or symbolic projection. Or simply lack of alternate activities- i.e. boredom. At any rate I start my next class on Monday, and the next school year for the kids starts next week as well, so alternate activities present themselves in abundance. Advanced band is going to require a lot more work that intermediate band did. I think I am going to be expected to chaperone band trips, and go to band competitions. Our school has one of the top rated band programs. At the last competition in our area we took highest scores across the board for our intermediate band , for our advanced band, for our jazz band, and for our orchestra. Since the oldest went to band camp I think she is really charged up for starting band again. And this year she gets a uniform. Last year no uniform. I think I will enjoy teaching middle school. My daughter's former core teacher asked me if I would be interested in a half time position, since he wants to reduce his hours. Unfortunately he wants to do that next year, and the boy will still be in elementary school. So I'm not sure that will work. The 6th graders are still such babies. But the 7th graders are looking more like high school students. Some of the girls have grown up SO MUCH over the summer. They are such ladies (in some cases). The boys are still small and scrawny.