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To: Dayuhan who wrote (24782)	8/24/2001 10:22:28 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 82486

Where quality of writing and thinking are concerned, perhaps we shall let the readers decide. Your point is carried! What a change from the obfuscation and petty obscurantism that has characterized so many posts on this thread. A real pleasure to read!

To: Dayuhan who wrote (24782)	8/25/2001 6:10:05 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I need only demonstrate that people driven by principles and morals existed on both sides of the conflicts. Would you really want to argue otherwise? I would not deny it. Nor is it necessary to draw the conclusion that Martin Luther King was devoid of principle, and Dick Nixon was its champion. I am not even sure how you got there, since in the original I did not tie the tendencies that closely to specific political positions, and in the subsequent comments I mentioned King as one aspect of the PM viewpoint affecting liberalism. Mentioning Nixon's election had only to do with the specific question of how disillusioned people were with authority as a consequence of Vietnam. I would also suggest that the triumph of Reagan was hardly a victory for morals and principles Reagan's triumph was the affirmation of traditional values and of faith in America. That was its cultural meaning. It is a matter of indifference to debate every aspect of policy, especially as it had nothing to do with the meaning of the Administration to the electorate. The suggestion that either side has a corner on morals and principles is simplistic and, in my opinion, a bit on the dim side. I do not view the matter as one between liberals and conservatives. In my scheme, Hubert Humphrey was a PM. You really have created a straw man. It is the contrast between those who try to discern their duty and act upon it, and those who are mainly "self- actualizing", "Doing Their Own Thing", "Tuning In, Turning On, and Dropping Out", "Following Their Bliss", and the like. It includes those who follow the Playboy philosophy, and those libertarians who think they owe society nothing. It includes hippies and yuppie scum. For the rest of it, I adequately anticipated and answered your points.......