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To: epicure who wrote (678)	8/25/2001 2:02:25 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 51717

I am not sure civility IS style with out substance. Is that what you are trying to say? I reflected a bit on Solon's comment. I'm not sure, either, what he had in mind. I remember once upon a time thinking that manners were superficial and stupid. All form, no substance. I rebelled a lot against manners in my rebellious years. I would have said the same thing about civility. I'm not sure I still wouldn't. And I've always been a critic of style over substance. One of my mantras at the office. But I've been rethinking that of late. In my dotage. Karen

To: epicure who wrote (678)	8/25/2001 4:42:43 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 51717

My point was that "civility" is a method of interaction. It is removed from the "substance" that defines the actual engagement as either good, bad, or indifferent. In other words, you can smile while sticking someone with a knife. You can be very cordial about it. Civility is a characteristic of an interaction. It is not necessarily either the intent OR the effect. I am NOT disparaging civility or cordiality. But some recent phoney behaviour on another thread (and I don't mean anyone here), prompted me to a (perhaps) snide comment.