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To: Greg or e who wrote (24922)	8/27/2001 4:17:50 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 82486

The fact that the Christian message is hated by people such as yourself is hardly new. where did you see Steven say he "hated" the christian message ? Didn't you just quote him as saying that it is often perceived as----> obnoxious ? You brought the "Hate" into the story , why do you feel impelled to do this ? <gg> Certainly it is not pleasant to be told you are a sinner and destined for an eternity apart from God, and that Jesus sacrifice is the only way for a person to be made right with God. An irrelevant , untrue and an -----> obnoxious scripture. Outdated and usually preached by the least educated and least insightful of modern Christianity now . Get off the ----> damnation trail , cowboy . When you speak or write the word "Eternity" , your mind cannot even grasp the concept let alone know what it means. <g> All the Muslims have is a dead prophet... So , what have you ? A story of a "resurrection " that is one of the most contrived & confused endings to a very short history of a Rabbai that preached barely 3yrs and was probably crucified , and thought he was connected to god .<gg> And like all the other " miracle~stories "....hardly proof of anything by real standards ...and few major theologians spend hardly a minute trying to confirm or emphasise them now . This isn't the third world here greg... regards Mars PS: Hurray for Jesus ....and informed Christians <g>

To: Greg or e who wrote (24922)	8/27/2001 4:17:54 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 82486

" Christian missionaries don't shove anything down anyone's throat. " Would you like a few 100 examples of marred and tortured evangelism carried out in the name of the Rabbai , say just in this century ? A few 1000 in the last several ? These miracles confirmed and validated the apostles message that " Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name... Goodness McRitchie , you still are using the --->"Miracles" for your proofs again ? You went their before , and found these are the weakest links ...rarely used for teaching now except for little children and by the uneducated evangelists trying to prosyletize in the third world . <g> You don't know squat about me, or people like me. We know you keep referring to Charles Darwin , as if he just passed yesterday...you had better update your calendar by a century .<gg> Now we have records of bacteria that date back 2billion years... regards Mars

To: Greg or e who wrote (24922)	8/27/2001 4:47:50 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

This will have to be quick; it's a busy time. The fact that the Christian message is hated by people such as yourself is hardy new. If Christ, who did nothing wrong, was hated and killed, why should I be surprised to find His followers hated and killed? Whoa, who said anything about hating and killing? I just wish Christians would drop this medieval notion that their belief is better than everyone else's, and that they'd have enough respect for other people's beliefs to keep theirs to themselves and stop pushing them at others. Big difference between "obnoxious" and "hateful". All the Muslims have is a dead prophet who made no prophecies, did no miracles, and who is unable to save. Do you really wonder why people who believe that are not well received in Muslim countries? I would make a good relief worker because I genuinely care about helping people less fortunate than I Caring is a very poor qualification for relief work. People who care a great deal generally go into emotional overload and collapse. Effective relief work is not about caring. It's about efficient management and delivery of very scarce resources under conditions that very few in the western world have the capacity to even imagine. As I mentioned before, some of the most effective relief workers I ever dealt with were from the military, specifically US Marines and Navy personnel. I don't know if they cared or not, but they were quick, efficient, fair, took no bullshit, and didn't mind working 24 hours straight in tropical rainy season conditions surrounded by desperate, traumatized people, sleeping on a poncho in the mud for 2 hours, and getting up and doing it again. Do you want to volunteer?