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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (52646)	8/27/2001 4:24:31 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Respond to of 275872

RE:"If you are going after high performance integrated graphics, you can just as easily buy one of those cheap 735 chipsets, and put in a GeForce2 MX 400, and still be less than the price of the nVidia board." We shall see. Maybe when nVidia puts it together on a chipset it runs a little more efficiently? Hummm. You shall see. I didn't think the nforce will be up to the GeFrorce3 but that's where the bang for the buck comes in... RE:"Neither of these situations is a huge improvement in price performance, and I don't think that you are going to see $120 nForce boards when the chipset costs manufacturers $90 to begin with. I think you're hoping for quite a lot if you expect top-notch performance, the lowest price points, and the best premium audio, all from a first-timer in the chipset business. It's just my observation, but I'll believe in the nForce when I can actually see a product and a price." Well my WAG is that the nforce boards will debut around $150-$170 until the novelty wears off and then they will fall rather quickly. As far as the ECS board for $60. So far so good but ECS is still in there with Amptron and PC Chips...as far as reputation. SIS 735 boards from more "reputable mobo makers" will be more near the $90-$100 range. Problem now seems to be that SIS can't make enough 735s so MSI, ASUS etc are having to delay. Jim

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (52646)	8/29/2001 2:28:45 PM
From: fyodor_	Respond to of 275872

Wanna: You're going way too overboard for what is probably going to be a 5-10% increase in performance due to a second DDR channel. I think it's clear you have underestimated nForce ;-) The prefetcher w. cache (small though it may be - 64kB, IIRC) doesn't hurt either&#133 That said, I have my reservations (like you) regarding NVIDIA's ability to pull off a stable chipset first time around. I certainly wouldn't buy one until I had seen it thoroughly tested by numerous sources. -fyo