To: slacker711 who wrote (1198 ) 8/28/2001 7:12:14 AM From: 49thMIMOMander Respond to of 9255 Slacker, who are the second "they": "They contend that Nokia has encountered difficulties with _their_ "GPRS signaling technology"." Same as the Witsound "its" "..Nokia is wrestling with is its GPRS signaling technology." The fact is that "it" and "they" is an issue of "all", that is, the improvements constantly made to the GPRS standard. In "this" case probably the improvement Nokia has suggested to ensure that early (existing) and near-future (this and next year) handsets will work, especially not cause network problems, when more efficient packet control functions are turned on in the future networks. That is, Nokia suggests an interim "dual" system for handsets ensuring that whatever happens, really old and just old handsets will work when the new functions, now impossible to test, are activated. The point is that this new function cannot be tested nor verified until it is activated in actual live networks, that is, next year. The improvement is to have a means of keeping old handsets working according to the now already tested, verified, existing present system in case they do not behave properly with the new system. Ilmarinen Btw, most vendors and operators understand the risk and the problem, most also support the improvment to minimize the risks. ("We are hearing from our sources that domestic GSM carriers are planning to implement the GPRS dual-mode patch fix preferred by Nokia") Btw,btw, "this" is already an old issue, not something which has popped up lately. But mutual standards demand some level of consensus, and some try to delay for strategic purposes (but the operators have to live with it, especially those who subsidize handsets but still allow some roaming) One more, the new functions are not used by the first phones in todays networks anyway.