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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (52837)	8/28/2001 5:56:09 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

In this economic environment I think it's VERY prudent to worry about installed base going forward for IA 64...especially when you can get the same SPEC with a P4 2.0 at 1/7 the price of an Itanium not even counting the motherboard cost. It will be interesting...I bet Intel will choose to "emphasize the appropriate benchmarks" in order to push IA-64. SPEC ELmer won't mind... Jim

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (52837)	8/28/2001 6:01:56 PM
From: Saturn V	Respond to of 275872

Ref < Compaq and HP have just about bet the company on Itanium, IBM and Dell are intimate partners, and tons of press releases of new software being optimized for the IA-64 architecture are being released daily, and you are still worried about an installed base? > Lots of folks on this thread cannot visulaize things they do not see on their desktop. Do not talk enterprise software to them ! It does not exist in their universe ! The enterprise software for Itanium is a given. It will be Sun,various flavors of Itanium, and IBM legacy code. Desktop 64 bit software is indeed another universe. Itanium will be out front, and AMD may have a fighting chance with the dual 32/64 bit approach.

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (52837)	8/28/2001 8:08:42 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Re: Look at the SPEC results yourself I am looking: CPU System SPECint2000 Base Peak 2.0 GHz Pentium 4 640 640 1.4 GHz Athlon 495 554 1.2 GHz Athlon MP 495 522 833 MHz 21264B 497 571 800 MHz Itanium 314 314 Big multi-processor servers are primarily integer machines iterating through database indexes and executing Java or ASP scripts. Even if compiling SPEC on a compiler that can successfully compile code besides SPEC results in numbers 25% lower for the P4, I'd say Itanium is a major "why bother?" - even at 50% higher clock speeds.