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To: Rambi who wrote (422)	8/28/2001 10:32:41 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 466

Actually, I had written a whole paragraph about that but deleted it after deciding it was inflammatory, so I am grateful to you, a male, for saying it. Why, thank you. As you've probably noticed, I don't always avoid saying inflammatory things! <g> Perhaps I should have said that I was amazed that women were viewed as so inferior, as weak, as stupid, so ineffectual- what is the female equivalent of castrated? The amazed part surprises me, but not the rest. But having read my fill of the English novelists -- Eliot, Dickens, Trollope, Thackery, Hardy, even Austen -- it's not at all amazing to me to see women being treated in this way. The occasional strong willed woman is treated as an oddity, and usually is defeated in the end (even Kate eventually submits). The Wife of Bath is of amusement and interest because she is such an exception. Keep in mind that in 1890s I believe women were still not allowed to own property in their own names in England. I may be a bit off in my dates, but I don't think by much. Frankly, I can't imagine even trying to boss my wife around. Quite the opposite. So I view all that as a literary oddity with no connection to real life. But at the time, it was quite normal.

To: Rambi who wrote (422)	8/29/2001 12:40:56 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 466

And to blame negative or opposing opinions to one;s own on these differences rather than intelligent thought is the height of arrogance and control... That paragraph explicates, imo, the reaction the women referenced had to Christopher's menopausal digs, such as the reference on the RWET to the "Menopausal Moments Thread," though that wasn't the only such reference. Christopher has obviously been puzzled by the uniformity of the female response. I think, Christopher, that if you did read that paragraph of penni's with understanding, that understanding might transfer to your remarks in that case.

To: Rambi who wrote (422)	8/29/2001 9:42:29 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 466

And this para from your post also might explain to Christopher, who continued, after the inherent demeaning implications to the content of the women's arguments or friendly discussions about books, for example, had been pointed out to him, to defend the menopausal references, likening them to a woman's own comment, about herself, about being in a bad mood from PMS, for example. The "truth in humor" particularly struck me in connection to the "Menopausal Moments Thread" crack on RWET that received such apprciative ROFL's from PROLIFE and JLA. ALthough I am no longer reading BR, before I left I did see Joe's post about charting lunar cycles with certain posters or something- perhaps this is the perfect example of your reference to truth in humor, though I found his post anything but amusing. Women are very offended by this type of "humor", I think, because as you say, it so very often is NOT humor, but a reflection of what the person truly believes.