To: gem-x who wrote (17033 ) 8/28/2001 9:44:15 PM From: Andy H Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 52237 I see two interesting NAZ wave counts. The bearish one is that we are in Wave IV, or possibly V of the bear market. Wave I declined a -40.7% from 5136 to 3043 in May 2000. Wave II was a +40.4% from May 2000 at 3043 to the closing high in July 2000 of 4274 (using the Sept high that was just a bit lower could be used without altering the main counts). (I couldn't find the intraday prices after May, so the rest of the prices are closing prices). Wave III forms a tight trend channel all the way to the April closing low at 1638, a remarkable Fibonnacci -61.7% decline and 1.5 times Wave 1. Wave IV (so far) traveled from the April 1638 to the May 22 high of 2313, a 41.2% increase, satisfying the rule of equality with Wave II. Under the rule of alternation, Wave IV should be complex and would need more time and many waves to complete. Under the bearish scenario, a five wave triangle is a possible formation that would take the time and end in a wave V thrust to new lows. If a Wave V equals Wave I at about a 40% decline, the NAZ would bottom at 1387 [ I'm sure a slightly different number results from using intraday highs and lows], which fits nicely in between the October 8, 1998 intraday low of 1357 and closing low of 1419. 1388 was also the closing high on Jan 22, 1997-the major top from the July 1996 lows. The 1400 area, should we get there, provides powerful support and a five wave decline of almost perfect symmetry. At that level, sentiment would likely hit very extreme levels to support a great rally and possible long term bottom. The other count postulates that the bear market was three waves and over on April 4th. Now we would be in the initial waves of a new bull market that began on April 4th. Wave I of the new bull is the same as Wave IV of the bearish count, ending in May. Now we would be in a wave II, which has corrected 72% of wave 1 as of last week's lows. Under Elliot, second waves can retrace all of a wave one ( that means you don't know for sure that your count is wrong until you hit new lows!). Of course, preferable retracement would hold at the 61.8% level. Given the action of the NAZ since April, it does not seem like we hit THE low. So many of the old favorites have hit substantial new lows even after, in some cases, nearly doubling in a few weeks in April- JNPR, VRTS, CHKP, MERQ come to mind. I see no real leadership groups which you'd expect to see in a kickoff wave of the new bull market of this degree. The action of August to October 1982 and July-August 1984 provide good examples of new bull market kickoffs in breadth and volume. In the 10 year NAZ bull market, I never bet on, and rarely observed, a clean five wave decline of major degree. I'm not betting on it now one way or the other and believe we would need another leg down in the economy, or a financial "crisis" for which there are many candidates, such as the dollar or foreign economies. I do intend to buy heavily if we do hit a NAZ 1400.