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To: combjelly who wrote (52982)	8/29/2001 11:50:02 AM
From: wanna_bmw	Respond to of 275872

Combjelly, Re: "So McKinley will have to have 3, maybe 4 times the performance of Merced to have an edge, however small, over their IA-32 line. That isn't going to be easy." Ok, I'll agree with you that there still stands a distinct possibility that Intel's IA-32 architecture will continue to outperform their IA-64 architecture. This wouldn't be good from a performance perspective, but you should really check out the other features in Itanium that differentiates it from Intel's other CPU lines. I included a link on the other thread, and I'll repost it here. intel94.com These are the webcasts for IDF, and the Wednesday presentation had a McKinley demonstrating its unique Machine Check Architecture, which is able to alert the administrator about possible errors that can be going on within the system, while keeping the system up and running the whole time. It's about 1/3 of the way through the Wednesday video, and you should take a look. It could easily convince you just how valuable this could be, and give a good reason for upselling Itanium over Xeon. wanna_bmw

To: combjelly who wrote (52982)	8/29/2001 11:54:01 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Respond to of 275872

RE:"Ok, but until McKinley ships, Intel has to contend with the P4 getting higher Spec scores than Itanium. By the time that McKinley ships, Intel should have Northwood in the range of 3GHz, and Xeon will have Jackson technology. So McKinley will have to have 3, maybe 4 times the performance of Merced to have an edge, however small, over their IA-32 line. That isn't going to be easy." Nice to see that someone got it. OTOH, this is Intel competing against itself and it can detune or fudge a few benchmarks. Yet, you are right. Itanium/McKinley seems mistimed...not an easy sell... If Northwood keeps x86 alive then Hammer comes into play...hummm and Itanium/Mckinley is really odd man out... Especially if the economy stays soft for upgrades... Jim

To: combjelly who wrote (52982)	8/29/2001 12:14:31 PM
From: maui_dude	Respond to of 275872

Combjelly, Re : "By the time that McKinley ships, Intel should have Northwood in the range of 3GHz, and Xeon will have Jackson technology. So McKinley will have to have 3, maybe 4 times the performance of Merced to have an edge, however small, over their IA-32 line. That isn't going to be easy." you are trying to compare a .13 IA32 product (Northwood) with a .18 IA-64 product (McKinley). Dont forget that Madison (McKinley shrink on .13) comes out fairly quickly after Mckinley. So, Madison needs to have 3 to 4 times performance of Merced. Maui.