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To: Rambi who wrote (446)	8/29/2001 11:13:50 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 466

One of my favorite plays is Twelfth Night. And I love it because the Duke Orsino falls in love with the PERSON of Viola, not with he sex. In fact he is embarrassed, it seems, by his attraction to Viola has servant. This play is not about capitulation- it about the strength of the person at the core. The beauty of a person, beyond sex. A very fine concept I think. When I listen to the intellectual passion of John and Abigail Adams it is clear they both have this same love of the person- beyond sexual love. I think also of Persuasion- where two people also love the nature of each other. The CHARACTER of each other. That seems to cross centuries. Maybe it is a rare but universal phenomenon.

To: Rambi who wrote (446)	8/29/2001 11:50:37 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 466

For instance, I disagreed with CH's saying that Shakespeare's Kate was an anomaly and that even she capitulated. Most interpretations of Kate's final speech are ironic. I'll have to go back and re-read it. I hadn't read it that way. But it's not one of the plays I have read many times, as I did with the plays I taught; I've probably only read it two or three times, which is only enough to start on a careful analysis. I agree, Shakespeare did have some very strong women. Raises a question. Were his women societal anomolies? Or were stronger women more tolerated in his day, maybe because of the example of Elizabeth, and did society regress from there to 1899?