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To: Greg or e who wrote (25235)	8/30/2001 4:18:46 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

The Gospel of the Tao and learning to live well within the Yogic Chakras...of self-discipline and the developement of conciousness, charactor and soul. C S Lewis just took you on a journey thru Taoism , Buddhism ,Hinduism, and from Helenistic thought . Lewis makes his case thru the use of concepts not originating with Christianity , but with that reservoir of sensitivity innate within the consciousness of every individual from birth and in the human spirit. With all this enlightement predating Christianity by centuries .... the author takes one paragraph at the end to have you believe that Jesus was the original author of the Tao ? Interesting Lewis chooses to use helenistic, oriental and buddhist concepts, reason and thought to explain the Gospels .<g> Salvation only for you Greg , and others like you . But that is becoming fastly more and more----> common knowledge , that this salvation is not just found in the dream of christianity alone . The final truth of culture, modern man , and civilization does not lay with Christ , but with what was always there to begin with . The symbol of the TAO is one of the most popular symbols with the youth of the modern world ....and ancient. (Neo thinks it is just a passing fad ) And , as Steven said to you before , you have no right whatever to push your religion on others or your dogmas. This is an-------> absolute truth. The genie is out of the bottle ....and it is not the property of Christianity . Christianity is just a tiny part of the entire truth of the evolving landscape of humanity. regards Mars

To: Greg or e who wrote (25235)	8/30/2001 11:20:58 AM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

I just skimmed that, but I intend to come back to it when I can. Very interesting post; thanks for bringing it to our attention. C.S. Lewis is, IMO, an underrated mind as far as this country is concerned. Of course he was a Christian, which for lots of people means he wa unable to think for himself but only followed blindly a path of superstition and ignorance. Too bad those people can't understand that one can be highly intelligent, an excellent thinker, and a Christian all at the same time. But apparently they can't.

To: Greg or e who wrote (25235)	9/10/2001 3:38:00 AM
From: Solon	Respond to of 82486

Greg, oh Greg! Were you impressed by this little fiction?! Does religious dogma, masking as critical thought--leave you mesmerized and slack-jawed with wonder? The article was nonsensical. Can cute analogies redeem a prejudicial and self-serving game of verbal gymnastics...LOL! Lewis was a very imaginative writer; I loved the Narnia series. But what does imagination and invention have to do with serious science or philosophy? Nothing in this article is anything other than Christian evangelism masquerading as philosophy. He starts with the "ABSOLUTE" ( :-)) truth of the gospels, and then proves that it IS absolute truth by the fact that people like food. Therefore, because you like food--ALL people are thus the same...blah, blah, blah. The bible is the TRUTH, because the bible is proof that people like food!. But truly, the only "moral" constancy between cultures, individuals, etc., is masturbation--but Lewis seems to avoid this obvious method of appreciating God for the easily disproved assertions of incredulous moral similitude between peoples. Is it true that all people have the same morality? Sigh, sigh, smile, smile! :-) Is it always so obvious that people are SHOOTING AT THEMSELVES?, WHEN THEY DETERMINE RIGHT FROM WRONG!! Isn't it true that all the endless wars and killings prove that the sense of right and wrong is subjective, and questioned by all the keepers of the mysteries and the secrets??!! The other guy is always wrong....You know that, Greg! Were not bisexual cultures morally equivalent to heterosexual cultures?! Were not incestuous cultures morally equivalent to cultures which were careful to have intimacy only with strangers?!! Did cultures who believed in taking from the weak have the same morality as cultures who believed in giving to the weak?! Were cultures who exalted homosexual members...really of the same morality as cultures who condemned them?! Cannibalism and sacrifice and throwing rocks at peoples heads--what do these have to do with a pretence of commonality in the moral arena?! HA! HA!! People do have similar needs and , of course, they share common biological motivations and inter social realities...but there is absolutely no evidence, (even considering the "natural" supports that underpin the sense of social morality) to suppose an Absolute dogma to be an understood. Few people or cultures pee in their own nests...and the history of killing confirms that people have very different ideas of who and what is right and wrong! Men with no chests???!! or men with no balls?! :-) I like C.S. Lewis--but he was a story teller--not a philosopher. His evangelism matches his other fantasy endeavors. He is renowned for both...and for the same reasons. :-)

To: Greg or e who wrote (25235)	9/10/2001 5:35:09 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Greg, oh Greg! Were you impressed by this little fiction?! Does religious dogma, masking as critical thought--leave you mesmerized and slack-jawed with wonder? The article was nonsensical. Can cute analogies redeem a prejudicial and self-serving game of verbal gymnastics...LOL! Lewis was a very imaginative writer; I loved the Narnia series! But what does imagination and invention have to do with serious science or philosophy? Nothing in this article is anything other than Christian evangelism masquerading as philosophy. He starts with the "ABSOLUTE" ( :-)) truth of the gospels, and he then proves that it IS absolute truth by the fact that people like food. :-) Therefore, because you like food--thus ALL people are all the same--blah blah. The bible is the TRUTH...because the bible is proof that people like food!. The only "moral" constancy between cultures, individuals, etc., is masturbation--but Lewis seems to avoid this obvious method of appreciating God for the easily disproved assertions of incredulous moral similitude between peoples. Is it true that all people have the same morality? Sigh, sigh, smile, smile! :-) Is it always so obvious that people are SHOOTING AT THEMSELVES WHEN THEY DETERMINE RIGHT FROM WRONG!! Or are they shooting at others????????? Isn't it true that all the endless wars and killings prove that the sense of right and wrong is subjective, and shared by all the keepers of the mysteries and the secrets??!! The other guy is always wrong. You know that, Greg! Were not bisexual cultures morally equivalent to heterosexual cultures?! Were not incestuous cultures morally equivalent to cultures which were careful to have intimacy with only strangers? Did cultures who believed in taking from the weak have the same morality as cultures who believed in giving to the weak?! Were cultures who exalted homosexual members, really of the same morality as cultures who condemned them?! Cannibalism and sacrifice and throwing rocks at peoples heads--what do these have to do with a pretence of commonality in the moral arena?! HA! HA!! People do have similar needs and , of course, they share common biological motivations and inter social realities...but there is absolutely no evidence (even considering the "natural" supports that underpin the sense of social morality) to suppose an Absolute dogma to be an understood. Few people or cultures pee in their own nests...and the history of killing confirms that people have very different ideas of who and what are right...and who and who are wrong! Men with no chests? Ha! Ha! Ha! ~~~ or men with no balls?! :-) I like C.S. Lewis--but he was a story teller--not a philosopher. His evangelism matches his other fantasy endeavors. He is renowned for both...and for the same reasons. :-)