To: russet who wrote (11921 ) 8/31/2001 3:28:32 AM From: d:oug Respond to of 81219 o please o please lets make this a rolling & growing post. I have not the story, but long ago Zeev told one about when the land was flooded and a scorpion was caught on a small hill surrounded by raising water that would in a short time cover the hill and drown the scorpion. As the scorpion saw his fate to die he saw a frog swimming by. The scorpion called out to the frog for help, saying that he could stand on the frogs back and be taken to higher ground and safety. The frog knew of the scorpion's nature, that to hunt kill and eat frogs. But the frog's nature was one to live and let live and live life in a defensive posture, not offensive, to accept that many creatures on Earth each has a place and role that at times will be in conflict, but with give and take and compromise and realizing that violence as a tool and means to an end is selected by a few and when enforced onto the many using this violence, that a few can control the many that in their nature is a road of non violence to an end, but this nature allows others of violence to speak for them as if they are also of that nature. But here the frog was alone and no other frog was present to give advice on how those who wish your demise will if allowed present a false presentation of themselves so that they can undo an unpleasant situation they are in. The frog agreed to help the scorpion eventhought its nature was knowned, the frog's nature of non destruction gave it what was to become a false sense of "humanity." No, there is not one ending to this story, but two. ... the scorpion killed the frog and the scorpion drowned. ... once on high ground the scorpion killed the frog. The nature of violence is a terrible thing, but at times in self defense it is required, but at times self defense is a wolf in sheep's clothing. doug