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To: ild who wrote (119167)8/31/2001 8:29:03 PM
From: patron_anejo_por_favor  Respond to of 436258
 
<<. Don’t you remember when Cisco had the highest capitalization in the world? When Yahoo’s capitalization was worth more than the entire steel industry plus GM, Ford and Chrysler? When Ariba was worth more than either Dupont or Dow Chemical? When Amazon was worth almost any 2 or 3 major “old” economy stocks? When Priceline had a market cap greater than Delta, United, and U.S. Airways combined? When JDS Uniphase ---well you get the point>>

He forgot Cynic's favorite...EBAY was worth more than Boeing (at EBAY's ATH on March 27, 2000)

Subject 32146

Definition of a Clown:
0. Who expects clowns 1 through 9 will see the light before he bites the dust.
1. Who expects the markets to grow atleast 30% per year.
2. Who thinks that the Feds and AG have a panacea for market ills.
3. Who thinks that it is the duty of the Govt to save them from their stupid mistakes.
4. Who expects the market to value EBAY on par with Boeing.
5. Who thinks that it is the short sellers who drive the market down.
6. Who thinks that NasDUNG can continue to rise 70-80 points per day for ever.
7. Who thinks that he can sell ahead of everybody before the invetable bear market arrives.
8. Who expects every one to be a millionaire and still doesn't expect inflation to be a problem.
9. Who tells people with un-bullish views on a stock to get off the thread.

As Luc sez, "all clowns must be destroyed" and that is the market logic. I believe that the market has already took care of Clown No. 0!!

I think I am a Clown No. 0 myself.



To: ild who wrote (119167)9/1/2001 1:12:22 AM
From: ild  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
Spin Cycle
Deflation Ahead? If So, It's a New Page in History
By Anirvan Banerji
Special to TheStreet.com

08/31/2001 02:10 PM EDT
URL: thestreet.com

While examining cycles in growth and inflation in diverse economies over the decades, we've found consistent patterns that hold up over time and across a variety of economies. Other patterns, of course, are country-specific. It's those consistent patterns, though, that give us the deepest insights into the nature of phenomena like business cycles, inflation and deflation.

Falling Inflation Pressures

Some people will always worry about inflation, but the objective evidence shows that, right now, inflation pressures are ebbing. In fact, the Economic Cycle Research Institute's Future Inflation Gauge, designed to be a leading indicator of inflation, is now falling faster than it did during the most recent recession. (To view the most recent data on this indicator, go to this site and click on the chart for a full-screen view.)

As I said in June, this is the inevitable result of the first synchronous global recession in a generation. By the way, according to the Financial Times, a just-leaked draft of the International Monetary Fund's World Economic Outlook now warns of a "significant danger" of a global recession. The Japanese economy is undoubtedly in a recession. I believe the U.S. economy is in a mild recession. In addition, the list of countries where gross domestic product has fallen in the latest quarter now includes Germany, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Turkey, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, the Philippines, Mexico, Brazil and Argentina.

But with the latest U.S. inflation numbers showing both consumer and producer prices falling, fears have swung around to deflation in some quarters. To understand if this is a concern, it's worth examining the features of deflationary episodes in the U.S. and abroad.

The Historical Evidence

By definition, deflation is marked by falling prices, which is why July's decline in the consumer price index and producer price index led to deflation concerns. But falling computer prices, for example, don't worry most people. What would be problematic is the generalized and persistent deflation that, say, Japan has experienced in recent years.

In fact, years ago, we developed a simple and well-tested hypothesis about long swings in the level of prices: They are associated with the relative length of business-cycle expansions and contractions. Periods when expansions are much longer than contractions witness inflation, and periods when contractions last longer than expansions show deflation.

To test this proposition, we took a truly long view -- based on U.S. data starting in 1789. The results are compelling.

The U.S. has seen three extended periods of generalized deflation over the past two centuries: from 1814 to 1843; from 1864 to 1896; and from 1920 to 1932. The rest of the time, the economy experienced inflation, with most prices generally rising.

During all three deflationary periods, the economy spent more time in contraction than in expansion. In other words, on average, recessions were longer than expansions. During the four inflationary periods -- from 1789 to 1814, from 1843 to 1864, from 1896 to 1920, and from 1932 to the present -- expansions were longer than contractions. In fact, during the latest inflationary period, which started in 1932, the average expansion lasted more than five times as long as the average recession.

In the chart below, the yellow bars represent the proportion by which the duration of the expansions exceeds the duration of contractions. (For example, a figure of 4.3 means that the expansions were 430% longer than the contractions, while a figure of -0.1 means that the expansions were 10% shorter than contractions.) The light green bars represent the average annual percentage growth in the CPI, and the dark blue bars represent the average annual percentage growth in the PPI.

Inflation, Deflation and the Relative Durations of Expansions and Contractions

Source: Economic Cycle Research Institute

The Experience Abroad

With this historical understanding of U.S. deflation, it makes sense that Japan, which has spent most of the past decade mired in recession, has experienced persistent and generalized deflation. On average since 1992, when the Japanese economy entered its first recession in 17 years, expansions have been 22% shorter on average than contractions.

Also no surprise is Argentina, which has shown deflationary symptoms since the mid-1990s. It's no coincidence that it has spent most of this period in a deepening recession. Thus, two centuries of U.S. experience as well as more recent events in other countries illustrate that generalized deflation occurs when contractions last longer than expansions.

At first glance, what looks like a contrary example is China after the Asian crisis in the late 1990s. At that time, its economy showed clear signs of generalized deflation, despite production caps and price floors in many industries. Yet real GDP growth was reported to be above 7% during this period.

Most informed observers of the Chinese economy are well aware that Chinese GDP tends to be overstated -- not that this is exclusively a Chinese problem. But our finding that generalized deflation occurs only during periods dominated by contractions suggests rather startling insights into the probable size of this bias. In other words, the association of generalized deflation with persistent contractions suggests that actual Chinese growth in the period following the Asian crisis may have been grossly overestimated.

The Current U.S. Outlook

In the current period starting in 1932, expansions have become far longer than contractions, more so than during any period in U.S. history. At the same time, consumer prices have increased at a faster pace than in any of the previous periods. Therefore, if we're about to enter a new deflationary era with long expansions and short contractions, it would be a unique experience in U.S. business history -- the first time such a combination has coexisted in more than 200 years.

Today, the empirical evidence can't eliminate deflation as a potential threat. It does, however, suggest that deflation is unlikely in the foreseeable future unless the current combination of relatively long expansions and steadily rising prices is about to end.

For that to happen in the U.S. over the next few years, we'd need to see persistent recessions punctuated by shorter expansions. This would be a clear reversal of the postwar pattern of long expansions and short recessions that have lasted less than a year on average. While the possibility of a series of longer recessions can't be entirely ruled out, it's probably not going to happen.

While a recovery is not imminent, the monetary and fiscal stimuli already provided are quite likely to result in a recovery by next year. Sure, inflation is likely to keep heading lower for now. And in terms of near-term growth, things are likely to get worse before they get better. But a Japanese-style deflationary spiral? Not likely.
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Anirvan Banerji is the director of research for the Economic Cycle Research Institute, which was founded by Dr. Geoffrey H. Moore, creator of the original index of leading economic indicators (LEI) for the U.S. Department of Commerce. Banerji is on the economic advisory panel for New York City, and is also a member of the OECD Expert Group on Leading Indicators. At time of publication, neither Banerji nor his firm held positions in any securities mentioned in this column, although holdings can change at any time. Under no circumstances does the information in this column represent a recommendation to buy or sell stocks. While Banerji cannot provide investment advice or recommendations, he welcomes your feedback at Anirvan Banerji.



To: ild who wrote (119167)9/1/2001 4:28:32 PM
From: John Graybill  Respond to of 436258
 
One of CNBC's bubble-girls was just about in screaming-O-land when she was reading part of that "2 days in a row" stuff just before the market opened on Friday. It was like a death sentence had been commuted.



To: ild who wrote (119167)9/1/2001 4:37:01 PM
From: yard_man  Respond to of 436258
 
The more T/A types looking up the better ...