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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (25676)	9/1/2001 1:01:24 PM
From: gao seng	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Yeah, that is what I meant. I do not think you have to be a theist to observe self-evident truths such as freedom of religion. However, rationalism has been infected by scientism as well. Epistemological rationalism has been applied to other fields of philosophical inquiry. Rationalism in ethics is the claim that certain primary moral ideas are innate in humankind and that such first moral principles are self-evident to the rational faculty. Rationalism in the philosophy of religion is the claim that the fundamental principles of religion are innate or self-evident and that revelation is not necessary (see Deism). Since the end of the 1800s, however, rationalism has played chiefly an antireligious role in theology.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (25676)	9/4/2001 7:16:10 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Yes, they are derived from rational reflection. However, it has to be understood that those attempting to derive a universalized morality assume an underlying moral order, even if there is no metaphysical justification, given the advantage of rationalizing moral discourse and creating a common persuasive ground for moral conflict. One of the fallacies of relativism is the idea that it automatically leads to more tolerance for divergent views. However, as long as one has one's values, one may very well respond negatively to the views or behavior of others. Since, on relativistic grounds, there is probably no common ground to understand one another, nor a basis for arguing the issue, those with widely divergent views become the Other, and persuasion is hopeless. All that is left is shunning or fighting. We have seen this played out on these threads......