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Politics : Right Wing Extremist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (15617)	9/4/2001 2:19:28 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 59480

If I acquiesce when a gun is pointed to my head have I signed a contract? Tim, you signed the contract. Your parents signed it for you when they brought you into the world as a citizen of this country. You continue to ratify it as long as you live here and call yourself an American. You endorsed it when you signed on to the military. I think you said that you served. And every day that you spend here reinforces that contract. Your options are to sign some other contract with some other country or go underground a be a revolutionary or anarchist or outlaw. Personally, I'm happy to have you aboard. Karen

To: TimF who wrote (15617)	9/4/2001 2:21:43 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 59480

It seems to me that the only way you can avoid being deemed a part of the contract is if you remove yourself from human society. Otherwise, Socrates's argument in The Crito comes into effect: that having lived under and taken advantage of the laws of the polis, you owe them (the Laws) even when they appear to disfavor you. (Need I remind you, I am talking abstractly, and not considering severely oppressive laws). Thus, if you live in society, you have acquiesced, unless you are actively rebelling. Government is sui generis. It is not a business, it is the principal institution through which society seeks to maintain order and uphold the common good. It does not determine cost primarily through use, but through a sort of social insurance model. There is no good way to decide how much people benefit from having the American Navy keep the sea lanes free, or having patrol cars go through their neighborhood. Waiting to charge someone for actual use would not be fair: for example, how many contracts are honored because there is a right to sue, without ever having to file? Thus, we all benefit, and we try to apportion the burden fairly (not always succeeding). Yes, there are free riders, because we give some poor people a break. I do not think that vitiates the main equitable claim. As far as the rest goes, I think that inequities should be cured, but are not inherent in the fact of taxation. We make decisions about the level of services and how to pay for them collectively. That is what democracy is about......I have to run, but will be back.........

To: TimF who wrote (15617)	9/4/2001 2:42:27 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 59480

You signed no contract with the left or those who would take away your freedom to give others special rights. Equal rights for all special rights for none. There is a consensus on this and it is entrenched in your constitution and by precedent. Free riders are doing us all a good service. It is the only legitimate form of protest against the statist mentality. Why do you think you have a right to bear arms in your constitution? It is because the framers knew a day might come when the citizens needed it. It certainly was not the awful threat posed by Canadians stunned by too cold a winter. Big oil went offshore decades ago to protest unreasonable exploration deals at home and high taxes. Go underground, move your cash offshore, hide assets. Like the good folks at Nike say "Just do it!" What do you have to lose?