To: DMaA who wrote (15706 ) 9/5/2001 10:17:05 AM From: Lane3 Respond to of 59480 You don't know that difference between how citizens manage their private property and the obligations a government places on its citizens? When people organize into communities, they establish governing bodies. These communities can be as small and simple as a group of roommates sharing an apartment or as large and complex as the United States. All governments establish rules and regulations, which they enforce. Organization is a very natural and ubiquitous behavior for human beings. These governments, depending on their charters, have different ways of coming up with rules and regulations and different methods of enforcing them on individual members but the concept is the same. The government becomes an entity in its own right, separate from the collection of individuals governed, as it acts in behalf of its members. In the course of that, sometimes individual members feel like they're being treated unfairly either in comparison with other members or that the governing body has taken on too much a life of its own at the expense of all the members who are a party to it. The latter is the message I was hearing from Tim. Of course, there are differences between my condo association and the Federal government. Last I checked, my condo association didn't have any airplanes, for example. And my condo association has no independent enforcement authority--it doesn't have a police force but rather relies on the state for enforcement. And, of course, there's the huge and obvious difference in scale. Still, the process of organizing and chartering applies to both condos and countries. Actions taken by governing bodies are considered just based on whether they are undertaken in accordance with the charter--with due process--not based on whether any individual likes the outcome or not. That is why this isn't apples and oranges or protons and neutrons. Karen