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To: carranza2 who wrote (14929)	9/6/2001 10:05:06 AM
From: JohnG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 34857

From Jacmore on Moderated Euro 3G speed looking more like IS-95B... Vodafone cuts data speed for 3G launch to 64K - source Reuters, 09.06.01, 8:16 AM ET By Richard Baum, UK telecoms correspondent LONDON, Sept 6 (Reuters) - Vodafone Group Plc <VOD.L> has cut the speed at which it plans to transmit data over its next-generation mobile phone networks, an industry source said on Thursday -- in another blow to high hopes for the technology. The world's biggest mobile phone operator has decided to run its European third-generation (3G) networks at 64 kilobytes a second (kb/s) when its launches the new mobile Internet service from 2002, the source told Reuters. The move would simplify its network construction and save money, the source added. Analysts had been expecting data rates of 144-384 kb/s, and predicted ever faster speeds last year when operators spent 120 billion euros ($107 billion) buying European 3G licences. Vodafone is still aiming for 384 kb/s, but may not get there until 2005/6, the source said. Vodafone declined to comment. The lower speed means the networks will be suitable mainly for business applications, such as travelling salespeople accessing their corporate Intranet via their laptop computers, rather than some promised consumer services like downloading video clips onto pocket-sized devices. It also raises fresh questions over how operators will make a profit on what is the most expensive bet on a new technology in corporate history. "This is just one more piece of news that reaffirms our view that 3G was never going to be about things like video," said Declan Lonergan, head of European mobile phone research at the Yankee Group consultancy. "Speeds are coming down and down and down and it's getting less and less exciting from a consumer point of view. It's going to be much more difficult for the operators to show what's different about 3G services and why the average consumer should upgrade from a GPRS phone." DELAYS IN PHONES The delayed launch of General Packet Radio Service (GPRS) phones, an interim technology that will offer speeds up to 30 kb/s, has already dented expectations for 3G and contributed to a dramatic slump in the shares of operators and handset manufacturers. Vodafone was down 2.8 percent at 138-3/4 pence in early afternoon trade, around its lowest levels in three years. Expected shortages of phones have also led Vodafone to warn investors and customers that it may not launch its 3G networks until 2003. The UK-based company holds licences in most major European countries. The source said Vodafone's decision to launch with the lower speed was one reason why it cut its estimates on capital expenditure over the next two years by 10 percent this week. The launch speed of 64 kb/s might be even slower in practice if lots of users cram the network. Morgan Stanley analyst Paul Brilliant said slower speeds further undermined the argument that 3G would produce significant new services and revenues. "Reductions in targeted data speeds in 3G networks is a new development suggesting that the challenges of 3G remain significant," he wrote in a research note. "The implications are that the capacity increase from 3G and the services that it will be able to provide will be more limited that previously expected." There was more bad news for operators on Thursday when a survey showed only four percent of people planned to use the mobile Internet for shopping. The A.T. Kearney/Cambridge Business School survey showed the figure had collapsed from 12 percent six months ago. Mobile operators believe they can make significant sums from taking a cut of transactions made over the wireless Web. forbes.com

To: carranza2 who wrote (14929)	9/6/2001 1:09:01 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 34857

Nothing "Sonera simply gave back the spectrum it bough". 1. The swedish auction went to the one who promised the most masts in sweden, both local Telia and Sonera did not overpromise, others did and might even have to build them... (a story still just in the beginning) 2. Sonera's norwegian partner almost bankrupt, for other reasons. (that story is still being written, Enitel) 3. Partner even in debt to Sonera, Sonera sought the partner into bankruptcy. 4. Norway is an extremely mountainous, sparsely populated nation, except for some cities, but oil etc industry in them. 5. The "economy of scales" for Norway can only be achieved within a network built to covering Finland-Sweden-parts of Norway. etc,etc Ilmarinen Does not further approve relations Norway-Sweden, after having deteriorated to negative during the Telia-TeleNor thingy. Sweden was to become, besides best in most masts in the world, also the one with most and best broadband, as well as most and best digital TV. All things which are being implemented quitely in Finland, on realitic time schedules, while the Swedish media have been whimping for a year. (this brotherly attack because of the brotherly attacks from some Swedish press the last month, trying to save Ericsson, or at least to achieve whatever they are trying to achieve)