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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (3206)	9/6/2001 1:12:12 PM
From: chalu2	Respond to of 23908

I finally agree with something you've said. I have always been of the opinion that Israel should accept no outside aid, because to do so turns it into a vassal state. The contrary argument, of course, is that its enemies accept aid and arms from others, and standing on principle might be suicidal. Does the US rely on others? Maybe very little, given our implied ability to wipe out most countries who might wage war against us. One might wonder how independent the European states are, or Japan. If the US were seized by a Hitlerite regime bent on world domination, Canada and Mexico would be appetizers for the conquest of Europe (which would take a week at most). In the meantime, western Europe has had its "hand out" for years (as has Japan) because it relies and US men, money and military power to protect it from other superpowers who might take an aggressive stance. Did you ever think that there is little outcry over all the economic support the US gives Europe (and taiwan, etc.) in this arena because the recipients are not Jews?

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (3206)	9/6/2001 4:14:57 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Other African leaders, until recently reluctant to criticise Mr Mugabe, have started to notice that lawlessness in Zimbabwe, widely reported because there are white people involved, reflects badly on the whole region. economist.com PS This is it..Well defined, if white people are not involved..non event...

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (3206)	9/6/2001 4:22:05 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

"The theory is that they're going to be taught good practice, when in fact they just want to know how to kill Albanians better," he said. "How are Jack Straw's spin doctors going to cope?" Macedonia rearms in the Nato peace Jon Swain Tetovo and Tom Walker War machine: Macedonian forces have received planeloads of military hardware for a final assault on Albanian rebels Photograph: Nikolas Giakoumidis THE Macedonian army is taking advantage of Nato's 30-day mission to disarm Albanian rebels by gearing up for all-out war in the autumn, western intelligence sources have warned. Nato observation teams watched four cargo plane-loads of military hardware and spares arriving in secret flights at Petrovac airport near the capital, Skopje, last week. The sources said the four flights were all from eastern Europe. The shipments followed the arrival several days earlier of a giant Antonov transport plane from Ukraine, carrying what the sources believed were sophisticated Russian-made SA-13 anti-aircraft missile systems. It coincided with signs that the Macedonian interior ministry was preparing special police units and paramilitaries for a new offensive against territory the Albanians believed they had "liberated" from Slav authority. In a further setback to the tortuous peace process, the Macedonian parliament yesterday voted to delay a debate on ratifying a Nato-backed peace plan until Albanian guerrillas stopped "terrorising" civilians. Analysts said there was little the British-led Nato force could do to stop the military deliveries. The Macedonian army's only obligation during Operation Essential Harvest is to stay out of agreed buffer zones separating it from the Albanian rebels of the National Liberation Army. Nato officers nevertheless confirmed that overflights by Sukhoi SU-25 "Frogfoot" bombers by the Macedonians in the north of the country had contravened the government's agreement with the alliance. Intelligence experts fear the Macedonians are trying to purchase a new "retrofit" version of the Frogfoot, complete with Israeli avionics fitted in the former Soviet republic of Georgia. This could permit pin-point accuracy in raids. "The Macedonians are training hard, and the flights cost thousands of dollars an hour," said Tim Ripley, an analyst with Jane's Defence publications, who is observing events. He believes another round of fighting once Nato departs will lead only to "bloody stalemate" - with the Macedonians overestimating their own military capabilities and the rebels far better armed than Nato is prepared to admit publicly. The man behind the hardline stance is Ljube Boskovski, the interior minister, who believes that only a full-blown onslaught will tame the rebels. Despite his assurance to Lord Robertson, the Nato secretary-general, that no illegal paramilitary groups will be allowed to operate in Macedonia, there was worrying evidence this weekend that such groups are proliferating. Kidnappings in the north-western town of Tetovo, which has an Albanian majority, suggest that sinister elements are also at work. Two men wearing ski-masks and brandishing assault rifles burst into a supermarket in the town on Wednesday, grabbing Hasan Emini, 42, an Albanian storekeeper. He is still missing, to the anguish of his wife Sanushe and their three children. Security sources believe he is the prisoner of a ruthless paramilitary snatch squad, led by a former forestry policeman from the nearby village of Neproshtina. When the rebels attacked the village last month, they found a diary belonging to the policeman with instructions from the interior ministry that the village should be "cleansed" of Albanians. Sanushe has been called twice by her husband's captors since the kidnapping. First she was told she would not see him alive again unless the Albanian rebels around Tetovo released a Macedonian Slav missing since July. The second time, Emini came on the line, begging his wife for something to be done. Yet the Eminis have no connections with the rebels, and are losing hope. "I cannot conceive that life will be worth living without him," said Sanushe. Rebel commanders said last week they had released all prisoners, while the authorities insist many more Slavs are missing. Western diplomats fear the issue could prove the spark for renewed conflict. "We're praying the Macedonians will implement the agreement, but it's regrettable what they're saying about this so-called cleansing," said one of the rebels' political representatives. "We are demilitarising while the Macedonians are legalising their paramilitaries." Ripley warned that a British training programme for the Macedonian army's special anti-terrorist forces could backfire. "The theory is that they're going to be taught good practice, when in fact they just want to know how to kill Albanians better," he said. "How are Jack Straw's spin doctors going to cope?" Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (3206)	9/6/2001 4:27:05 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

The European states are objecting to these demands, which are even stronger than those agreed upon in preparatory meetings before the conference. The West is nervous that apologizing for slavery could make it vulnerable to endless financial and legal demands, and the United States strongly opposed discussing possible reparations here before the conference began. Some advocates here said the issue of slavery and reparations is far more central to the conference and its outcome than the distracting brouhaha over Middle East politics since the meeting began last Friday. They also said that the United States and some European states were far more worried about the repercussions of this issue, which has never before been raised in such a global forum. washingtonpost.com "Show me the Money"...looks like that is all Durban is about anyway :(

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (3206)	9/6/2001 10:32:32 PM
From: LV	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Yes, Gus, just Jews defending Jews, with a little help from their friends. Sure beats calling for a lawyer when SS come to round Jews up, don’t you think? Yes, Israel owes a lot to the US. It is always good to have friends in high places, no? And it ain’t like Arabs don’t have any friends. Remember the Soviet Union with whom Arabs were allied for over 40 years and whom they helped to bankrupt? And what about the rest of the Islamic world? Although it would seem 300 millions Arabs with enormous oil wealth shouldn’t need any help dealing with measly 5 million Jews, do you think? And wouldn’t you support the side that is democratic and tries to protect itself from annihilation rather than despots on the other side that boast that eventually they will drive the Jews into the sea? Although Israel needed a lot of help to take care of millions of refugees, I do think that she is strong enough now to do just fine without US economic aid. The problem is that for the last 25 years our approach to the Middle East has been to buy peace, and it is hard to stop without offending some parties. Military cooperation is a different story. I oppose the idea of US shield for Israel since, first, I don’t want us to become a world policeman, and, second, as you implied, that would defeat the reason for a Jewish state in the first place. But Israel is too small to sustain an extensive military industry, so she will always depend to some extent on the US and others. And I’m afraid Israelis will have to maintain a strong military for a long time. Just a lousy neighborhood, you know.