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To: TobagoJack who wrote (8531)	9/8/2001 7:37:32 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<You do not actually believe we are doomsters.> No. Not even gloomsters. But you know what I mean. I was about the first. Anyone beat April 1999? USS Enterprise will have something to say about shearing Q! They have very powerful and accurate cruise missiles. They can impound assets and make things really unpleasant for any crooks trying to rob their Golden Goose which lays CDMA ASICs rather than that old-style gold. Q! has already won ALL the patent battles. They are home free. It's not even a debate anymore though the Koreans [and others] are still whining occasionally about having to pay for somebody else's brilliant achievements. Tomorrow maybe!! Bye...ZZzzzz... Mq

To: TobagoJack who wrote (8531)	9/8/2001 8:24:04 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

Have you heard that a camel is a horse designed by a committee? UMTS/3G is a horse designed by a committee. The decision to adopt both W-CDMA and TD-CDMA as the standard for UTRA--UMTS Terrestrial Radio Access--was mostly political, although there is some technical rationale The main stumbling block was patents. ETSI Special Mobile Group calculated that there are around 1500 "essential patents" relating to W-CDMA. Of these, only 150 or so are owned by European companies, with 750 owned in Japan, and the rest in North America. On the other hand, time-division CDMA (TD-CDMA), was promoted by the UMTS Alliance comprising Alcatel, Bosch, Italtel, Motorola, Nortel, Siemens, and Sony. It involves 150 essential patents, spread roughly 50, 50, 50 between Europe, Japan, and North America. Eventually the Japanese--really NTT--agreed to the formation of a "patent pool," and to sign up to the ETSI rule that has worked so well for GSM that all essential patents should be made available to all involved in UMTS "on a fair and nondiscriminatory basis." That done, the consensus was unanimous for a compromise using both technologies. Although this looks like a European-Japanese "club," some care has been taken to ensure that North America isn't excluded. For example, they are very keen that Qualcomm (a member of ETSI) is on board--basically, they are interested in some CDMA power control technology that makes Qualcomm sought after as a partner in the whole thing. Next, there is a clearly stated requirement that the new air interface standards are formulated so that they can be used where spectrum is limited to 2 X 5 MHz. This was included at the specific request of the U.S.-based participants. I think that all this above is not the essential. Jay, I always use a special tactic. It is called the 'bikini tactic'. The tactic is named bikini because like the beach indumentary, it shows all but hides the essential. The essential only at appropriate times and to the right eyes should be disclosed.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (8531)	9/8/2001 1:53:06 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Jay, I thought that the preferred animal on this thread was the pachyderm. Dung beetles don't like the hard little balls produced by sheep. We like nice soft matter that we can roll up into balls whose size we determine. not after QCOM is boxed in by patent cross-licensing deals. The Japanese, Swedish, Chinese and Germans will figure it all out collectively, and QCOM will be sheared and left in the soaking rain. You NZ-ders know how that works I have the highest regard for your acumen and sagacity, but this bit is wrong. Most major companies, including Nokia and many Chinese, have made "use one, pay for all" royalty deals for QCOM patents. There is nothing left to cross-license with which can box QCOM in, especially after Nokia gave its GSM IPR to QCOM on a royalty-free basis a few weeks ago. It's a beautiful thing. Checkmate in three-dimensional chess. Profitable? We'll see.